USADA - Armstrong

[Race Radio]

Dude, the Grand Jury called it, not the Feds.

Stop trolling, the case was never sent to the Grand Jury

 

[BillytheKid]

The Feds weren't interested in doping - they were interested in what laws were broken as a consequence of doping. Big difference...

better said than I.

 

[BillytheKid]

Stop trolling, the case was never sent to the Grand Jury

The investigation was not before the GJ?

 

[MacRoadie]

The investigation was not before the GJ?

The Grand Jury was never asked to return indictments.

It's like a petite (trial) jury listening to testimony and seeing evidence, but before the closing arguments are made and they are asked to go to the jury room to deliberaate, the judge sends them home.

The jury sits and listens to the evidence, but the case doesn't "go to the jury" until they are asked to deliberate the counts.

 

[TubularBills]

Mr. Polish,

I wonder if Lance will end up apologizing to Simieoni, Lemond, Kimmage, Emma O, M. Anderson, the pack fill, Landis, Hamilton...

Well said. Apologies warranted & needed to heal the sport.

The greatest apology would be to Hincapie for tainting his entire career.

 

[BillytheKid]

The Grand Jury was never asked to return indictments.

Yes, after a long two years before it. The feds did offically close the investigation, but they will often do that because the GJ is not buying it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...tigation-into-lance-armstrong-and-others.html

 

[thehog]

Yes, after a long two years before it. The feds did offically close the investigation, but they will often do that because the GJ is not buying it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...tigation-into-lance-armstrong-and-others.html

Thanks Billy. You sure know your stuff. You must have a drill into the Feds. See things others can't.

 

[BillytheKid]

The Grand Jury was never asked to return indictments.

It's like a petite (trial) jury listening to testimony and seeing evidence, but before the closing arguments are made and they are asked to go to the jury room to deliberaate, the judge sends them home.

The jury sits and listens to the evidence, but the case doesn't "go to the jury" until they are asked to deliberate the counts.

You know for sure there was no deliberation?

 

[TubularBills]

You know for sure there was no deliberation?

Lance?

Is that you?

I wanted to thank you for curing cancer...

 

[MacRoadie]

Yes, after a long two years before it. The feds did offically close the investigation, but they will often do that because the GJ is not buying it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...tigation-into-lance-armstrong-and-others.html

There has been no suggestion that the GJ was not "buying it". The prosecutor presents his evidence and the jury votes. If they feel there is enough grounds to indict, then they "return" the indictment. If they don't feel there is adequate evidence, they return a "no bill", or "bill of ignoramus".

The US Attorney made no mention of a "no bill", and without a vote and without all the evidence presented (eg pulling the plug), how do you suggest he would know the jury isn't "buying it"? Casual conversation over coffee?

Plus, wouldn't he be better off not pulling the plug and suffering the embarassment, asking the jury to return indictments, and simply blaming the jury if they return a no bill?

 

[MacRoadie]

You know for sure there was no deliberation?

Indictments or a no bill.
A or B
Take your pick.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes, after a long two years before it. The feds did offically close the investigation, but they will often do that because the GJ is not buying it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...tigation-into-lance-armstrong-and-others.html

The Feds were so confident they drew up the charging papers. Before they could be filed one guy killed the investigation.

But of you knew that.

 

[BillytheKid]

Thanks Billy. You sure know your stuff. You must have a drill into the Feds. See things others can't.

"Where they have a choice, prosecutors often prefer grand juries because grand jury proceedings are secret."

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-prosecutors-choose-grand-juries-preliminary.html

Correction, I only presume that they ditched it before a GJ shootdown.

GJs are not monitored by judges. Grand Jurors are allowed to ask questions. That questioning may give prosecutors a good idea how their case is going.

Since the proceedings are secret, we don't really know.

 

[Elagabalus]

Flick*, give it rest. And please stop with the false piety and appeals to the greater good of civilization.

*Only you would spell hypocrisy wrong.

 

[MarkvW]

Dude, the Grand Jury called it, not the Feds. Grand Jury (5th ammendment, Bill of Rights). We don't really know the full body of evidence, becasue it is sealed. The Grand Jury protects you and I from false prosecution.

Sure it's imperfect, but a buffer serious form felony charges that have no weight. A GJ fail =weak evidence.

The USADA rules independent of the GJ...it's not a criminal case anymore.

You are making stuff up.

 

[MarkvW]

Indictments or a no bill.
A or B
Take your pick.

There's a "C" option: The bill of indictment is not presented to the GJ.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I can't believe you all are conversing with him

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Dude, the Grand Jury called it, not the Feds. Grand Jury (5th ammendment, Bill of Rights). We don't really know the full body of evidence, becasue it is sealed. The Grand Jury protects you and I from false prosecution.

Sure it's imperfect, but a buffer serious form felony charges that have no weight. A GJ fail =weak evidence.

The USADA rules independent of the GJ...it's not a criminal case anymore.

Why do you comment on a subject you know nothing about? Why do you lie to people that know what happened and embarrass yourself.

 

[Microchip]

Where is Fabiani?

Luskin gets paid $1,000 to lie for his guilty clients. Nice work if you can get it

Well, it seems he's gone off to defend Current TV - at least his firm was hired to do that. Is Luskin more financially-friendly to pay than Fabiani?

 

[Microchip]

So striking how physically small Lance used to be.

 

[TubularBills]

Why do you comment on a subject you know nothing about? Why do you lie to people that know what happened and embarrass yourself.

Because he's pathological & Lance.

He needs to be right. He misses his father.

"Don't worry everything is going to be alright..."

A high school education would have cured it, champion of the world didn't.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

So striking how physically small Lance used to be.

But he still has the same Rat Eyes he always did. #creepy

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The greatest apology would be to Hincapie for tainting his entire career.

Hincapie made his choice. He was apparently one of the biggest chargers in the peloton. I salute him for having the courage to admit it now, if he indeed did so.

 

[MacRoadie]

There's a "C" option: The bill of indictment is not presented to the GJ.

Lance's point was:

You know for sure there was no deliberation?

so the assumption is that the bill of indictment was presented.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I can't believe you all are conversing with him

+10000.

Hey people, you don't get anything for proving Flicker wrong. You're maybe #498 at the Houston 500, and I'm not talking about car racing.