USADA - Armstrong

[MarkvW]

So, can anyone tell me what this has got to do with the subpoena that the Hog received last month? Does it have anything to do with it?

Are the media reports that Hog was served with papers by the feds accurate? If the feds served Bruyneel, then that's a separate thing.

 

[MarkvW]

Did you notice the charge said anonymity for now but that they "will testify"?

Uniball retraction mode fully engaged.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Wish that I could watch the Tour in HD, but have others doing the commentating.

Versus picture, Eurosport's free audio stream!

 

[mastersracer]

It will be interesting to see how they handle the statute of limitations. Maybe they MUST prove that Lance doped during his comback in order to be able to prosecute him for everything before 2005? Maybe they NEED to prove that it was ongoing? Any thoughts on this?

Evidence outside the 8 year statute can be used to corroborate evidence within the limitations period (for findings of rule violations) and results outside the limitations period can be disqualified where reliance on the statute has been fraudulently concealed. So the latter is to go after Tour titles from 1999 on.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Did you notice the charge said anonymity for now but that they "will testify"?

Yes. However, the rosters of those teams are in the public domain right now.

 

[GotDropped]

They've been waiting patiently.

Insurance fraud anyone....

With interest and legal fees... Lanced raised it from 5 million to 7,5 million in the year or so he took to get paid... what about the 10 years it will take SCA to get their money back?

 

[hughmoore]

Its all about stopping Lance winning the Kona, nothing else.



Hugh

 

[Epicycle]

Yeah like, why would he take them down if he wasn't manipulating them?

I think one of the results mysteriously changed when they got updated on the Livestrong site also. I can't remember exactly what happened but it was shady. There's a thread about it somewhere on these forums. I asked about it on Livestrong but obviously got no answer and at some point all the blood test results did vanish.

 

[offbyone]

Awesome can we also strip the guys who doing amphetamines 30 years ago?

 

[burning]

This is a little bit late (for like 10 years) but justice will served at least

 

[The Hitch]

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation

 

[gerundium]

Glad this charge was brought upon Armstrong finally, very interested to learn more about the blood values during the 2009/2010 period. As someone else before me already noted if Lance gets his TdF titles stripped because statute of limitations could be scrapped due to his comeback it will go down in history as the biggest sports comeback blunder of all time. I hope that happens just for the hilarity of it.

 

[Kender]

someones already updated his wiki with the charges heh

 

[thehog]

Evidence outside the 8 year statute can be used to corroborate evidence within the limitations period (for findings of rule violations) and results outside the limitations period can be disqualified where reliance on the statute has been fraudulently concealed. So the latter is to go after Tour titles from 1999 on.

Thank you.






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[benzwire]

Its all about stopping Lance winning the Kona, nothing else.
Hugh

Yeah the tri crowd will be upset, definitely. So much for Nice and Kona. I was actually looking forward to seeing him do those. Oh well, karma's a beotch.

 

[131313]

In short, if LA had have stayed retired they could do nothing. Now that they have evidence he doped on return, they can use all his 13 years from 1998 to 2010 to hang him up by the short and curlys, and strip him of everything.
If that happens, it would have to go down as the biggest failed comeback in the history of sport

yowza! you're right! Michael Jordan's stint with the Wizards suddenly looks pretty good!

 

[131313]

Awesome can we also strip the guys who doing amphetamines 30 years ago?

because 2 years ago is such a long time...(and he's still competing in professional sport).

The ball lickers need a new angle, the current apologist strategies are getting a bit tired.

 

[thehog]

Glad this charge was brought upon Armstrong finally, very interested to learn more about the blood values during the 2009/2010 period. As someone else before me already noted if Lance gets his TdF titles stripped because statute of limitations could be scrapped due to his comeback it will go down in history as the biggest sports comeback blunder of all time. I hope that happens just for the hilarity of it.

Don't forget the Catlin antidoping sham... all whilst he had his hand in the cookie jar...


....and while I'm at it..... wasn't Daamstarg (sp?) still with Astana at the time?

and the UCI? asleep at the wheel?

 

[burning]

his response:

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation

 

[Kender]

Awesome can we also strip the guys who doing amphetamines 30 years ago?

by my reckoning, only if the evidence they doped 30 years ago lends weight to them doping in the last 8 years which leads to conviction on current doping charges. and only if they are american (i think) as this is an american statute.

could easily be wrong though, i'm no lawyer

 

[Kender]

his response:

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation

trying to garner sympathy from the american taxpayer

 

[T-Nielsen]

Phil and Paul are currently doing TDS coverage right?

Someone want to record that one for tomorrow

Oh that has to happen... PLEASE SOMEBODY...

 

[Kender]

haha got funny looks int he office when i read this and laughed...

BigTex GoingtoJail @Digger_forum 2h
Hey @juanpelota, @SimoneLeMond says relax!! Suck on those apples *******.
Retweeted by SimoneLeMond

you go girl

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Just wanted to post that I am asking everyone to keep this topic to one thread (this one). I'd make it a sticky, but that isn't necessary.

On a personal note, I'll say what I always have, that my only hope is that the truth come out, all of it. The sport of cycling will ultimately be much the better for it.

 

[MarkvW]

The letter in full:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf

Everybody talked to USADA, except Lance. Lance would have walked if he had talked!!

If the feds had Lance testify before the GJ under a grant of immunity a lot of possibilities emerge:
1. If he admitted to his doping to the GJ, why would he not admit it to USADA?
2. If he denied his doping to the GJ, is he still at risk for prosecution?
3. Would he dare go under oath in a USADA proceeding with the feds watching?