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"college" says USADA vs. Armstrong is a waste of taxpayer money. I have to question the logic here. Wouldn't an anti doping agency's funds be used correctly in going after dopers? Call me naive but I would think that's what their funds are for. Possible he is suggesting all anti doping agencies are a waste of money. It makes sense that he has come to accept doping as a critical part of his meal ticket.

Oddly after suggesting the whole thing is a waste of money. He advocates the involvement of congress, yes the United States congress to investigate USADA. Perhaps he doesn't realize the taxpayers pay the salaries of congressional members. Certainly one who so concerned about wasting tax dollars would want to waste more tax payer money, not to mention their time given the dire straights our country is in. The suggestion is beyond absurd, and sheds light into how egomaniacal Lance is.

Andrew Talansky this is the beginning of the process. The evidence isn't revealed in the letter charging the athlete. The evidence will be presented at the arbitration proceedings.
 
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ChrisE said:
BS. LA is in this mess because FL spilled the beans in 2010. This is not a deterrent, and will be a galactic cluster**** before it is all over.

Yeah, it is a deterrant to ignoring unstable former doped associates when they ask you for a job lol.

LA is in this mess because he doped (allegedly). Like a child, blame your wrong doing on others hold them responsible for your actions.
 
What this article http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jan97/doping.html (posted in another thread by Dr. Massarati) outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.
 
What this article this one,(posted in another thread by Dr. Maserati) outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.
 
What this article http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/archives/jan97/doping.html (admirably posted in another thread by Dr. Maserati) outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. The invincible one. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.
 
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D-Queued said:
Don't think this has been posted yet:

New article on Foxsports at 5:01 pm EDT:

The duality of Lance is unsettling

"...That’s actually sickening. It’s mean-spirited. He is playing off people’s belief in him, and they believe because of his cancer fight... if he is, he’s the worst sports cheat we’ve ever had, the lowest..."

That.

Dave.

The comments on all of the articles are something to read...actually, you only need to read 2 or 3 because it is the same drivel that was spouted on cycling forums 6 years ago. Those people are soooooo 2006.

Seems some new low count posters have found there way here too. The pattern is amazingly consistent with every single incident that has reflected negatively on Gunderson. It's tiresome, but at least all I have to do is skim the posts and comments.
 
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patricknd said:
maybe the protection payment was late. :eek:

i'm not sure if i should be talking to you, you are on the dirtyworks ignore list :D

Yea, what's that dude's problem? I thought all my urine made it to the toilet and not his cornflakes, but seeing his signature makes me question my aim. As far as I know, I've never done anything to the guy. Maybe he is a Wigans fan?

Anyway, I just wish the mods would put me on ignore. It sure would free up my vocabulary.

P.S. Please don't ban me for using the word "urine." On top of being the medically acceptable term, it and "cornflakes" reflect a common saying in my part of the country. My mind said a lot worse, but the fingers didn't give it away.
 
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TDF the glory years

2005 – Entire podium stripped
2004 – Entire podium stripped
2003 – Entire podium stripped
2002 – Entire podium stripped
2001 – Entire podium stripped
2000 – Entire podium stripped
1999 – Armstrong, Zulle stripped.

Winner…? Escartin!
 
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Ozymandias, King of Kings <- Shelley

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".
 
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Did you people let " Glenn Wilson get away with saying this ?
" Your living in a dream world mr. College guy. The clinic crowd has triumphed lmao "

" Imoa " : " In my arrogant opinion "?

So finally the " Tuesday that was predicted for so many years , was 12 june ?

No wonder RR had a hangover !

Now going to watch Mc Leod's Daughter and reminice about my life in the Outback so many years ago !

Don't wait up for me , you mushrooms , dreaming of the outback is far more entertaining than the speculation , rumour & conjecture spinning out of control on this thread !

Whilst the " fox " continues to guard the " henhouse " , NO ONE has a right to judge the six currently being discussed !

WADA declaring a " moratorium "with " Life Time Penalties " and Severe Financial Penalties aimed at Team managements will " Shake the Skeletons " out of their hiding places !

BRING IT ON !
 
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Sponsors will stick with Wonderboy for now. Comments haven't changed. A couple of guys in there fighting the good fight though.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...lance-armstrong-doping-allegations/55600182/1

What's great is that the story is stuck at about 2010 and I don't see a way to move it forward. So you've got people with this vague allegiance and then the ugly truth bubbling up around them. Too slow!!

Wonderboy is playing the whiny b!tch role pretty well right now though, so let's see how long that lasts. Wonderboy's behaviour certainly won't be changing, so he's going to continue bringing the skeletons out of the closet.
 
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ChrisE said:
You should go provide the link to the justice dept outrage website in a comment section somewhere. Those 139 need some help.

Certainly being trounced by the whopping 698 who have signed THIS PETITION on the White House site.

314,000,000 people in the US, and barely 700 want to see the end of this great injustice against a true American hero?
 
DirtyWorks said:
Sponsors will stick with Wonderboy for now. Comments haven't changed. A couple of guys in there fighting the good fight though.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...lance-armstrong-doping-allegations/55600182/1

What's great is that the story is stuck at about 2010 and I don't see a way to move it forward. So you've got people with this vague allegiance and then the ugly truth bubbling up around them. Too slow!!

Wonderboy is playing the whiny b!tch role pretty well right now though, so let's see how long that lasts. Wonderboy's behaviour certainly won't be changing, so he's going to continue bringing the skeletons out of the closet.


This is what is meant by so-called journalism in the US and the type of "reporting" that forms public perceptions. I rest my case.

All the business interests have obfuscated anything that's even remotely connected to reality. Because it is much easier to sell people dreams and falsehood than the truth, which is always an economic and business disaster.
 
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Did you people let " Glenn Wilson get away with saying this ?
" Your living in a dream world mr. College guy. The clinic crowd has triumphed lmao "

" Imoa " : " In my arrogant opinion "?

So finally the " Tuesday that was predicted for so many years , was 12 june ?

No wonder RR had a hangover !

Now going to watch Mc Leod's Daughter and reminice about my life in the Outback so many years ago !

Don't wait up for me , you mushrooms , dreaming of the outback is far more entertaining than the speculation , rumour & conjecture spinning out of control on this thread !

Whilst the " fox " continues to guard the " henhouse " , NO ONE has a right to judge the six currently being discussed !

WADA declaring a " moratorium "with " Life Time Penalties " and Severe Financial Penalties aimed at Team managements will " Shake the Skeletons " out of their hiding places !

BRING IT ON !

lol...You're watching Mcleod's Daughters but it's other people who are mushrooms. Admit it, you like watching farm girls in tight blundstones; I'm partial to that myself.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Yea, what's that dude's problem? I thought all my urine made it to the toilet and not his cornflakes, but seeing his signature makes me question my aim. As far as I know, I've never done anything to the guy. Maybe he is a Wigans fan?

Anyway, I just wish the mods would put me on ignore. It sure would free up my vocabulary.

P.S. Please don't ban me for using the word "urine." On top of being the medically acceptable term, it and "cornflakes" reflect a common saying in my part of the country. My mind said a lot worse, but the fingers didn't give it away.

You are the funniest poster in the entire world. Top marks :)
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Front page CNN. Opinion: "Don't forgive Lance Armstrong"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/opinion/pearlman-lance-armstrong/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I think people will realize that this guy made a mint from selling false hope to cancer victims, which places him in a whole different circle of dopers.

that's one of the best opinion pieces i've read thus far on the matter.

he's passed 350 tests and, even if the testing system is a complete joke, well, hey, he passed.

For every Bonds and McGwire and Roger Clemens, there were clean ballplayers being robbed of their greatness.
 
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70kmph said:
"The race against the truth.”

Phil Liggett, 2003

LOL! the race against truth indeed...

On the more serious side...I am so sick of the meme about "wasting taxpayer dollars" on such investigations...this one is popping up everywhere...armstrong himself uses it...and it really amounts to total spinelessness/lowest common denominator stuff...basically, it is saying "well, if he doped...we have decided he is our hero and we not only don't care about the truth, we don't want to know..."
 
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LOL! the race against truth indeed...

On the more serious side...I am so sick of the meme about "wasting taxpayer dollars" on such investigations...this one is popping up everywhere...armstrong himself uses it...and it really amounts to total spinelessness/lowest common denominator stuff...basically, it is saying "well, if he doped...we have decided he is our hero and we not only don't care about the truth, we don't want to know..."

+1million on the "wasting taxpayers money". USADA job is to stop doping for crying out loud. The fanboys are so blinded by their love for LA they can't see a thing.
 
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veganrob said:
+1million on the "wasting taxpayers money". USADA job is to stop doping for crying out loud. The fanboys are so blinded by their love for LA they can't see a thing.

I completely agree, but "wasting taxpayer money" is one of the most powerful parts of the defense given the current political and economic climate. It's the core of "I didn't hurt you, I helped a lot of people, thus coming after me is wasting taxpayer money. Go spend time and money on someone who is hurting others."
It's an effective use of the general public's fears, selfishness and overall lack of understanding to obfuscate the issue.
 
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