USADA - Armstrong

[mewmewmew13]

Insert Jemison an Kevin L. Take out Berry, Cruz, and McCarty

I was just going to say Kevin L...

I wonder if there will be a surprise on the list

 

[Anonymous]

WTC is owned by a PE group who want to expand it greatly, sell it, then pocket a bunch of cash.

They hired Messick, a big name in sports, they then bought a group of races in Australia. They then made the big mistake of getting into bed with Armstrong

It is too bad they banned him. I was looking forward to him messing up that sport too.

Hmmm... Maybe Messick shoulda stayed with AEG.

 

[Anonymous]

I was just going to say Kevin L...

I wonder if there will be a surprise on the list

I'm surprised Barry is not on the list.

Jemison is a bit of a shock. He retired a loooong time ago.

One aspect of cycling that Jemison surely will never miss is the drug debacle that was documented by the Festina assistant Willy Voet. "I do not have a personal copy of Willy Voet's book but did flip through someone's copy once. Those were hard wheels to hang on to, especially during the 1997 Tour."

Clearly the transition from cycling to everyday citizen was abrupt, yet Marty Jemison has handled it seamlessly. Not that this should surprise anyone who understands the effort required to succeed at one of the world's most intense sports. And so, after hanging on to Richard Virenque's wheel in the '97 Tour everything else should seem easy in comparison. Marty Jemison will most likely rise handle the rest of life's challenges with the same determination and resolve that made him so successful in the world of cycling.

Uh huh.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2002/interviews/jemison02.shtml

 

[Epicycle]

Insert Jemison an Kevin L. Take out Berry, Cruz, and McCarty

Does Livingston still work/run his fitness program at Mellow Johnny's?

 

[JRTinMA]

Says the guy who defends wonderboy every chance he gets

Doping has never been the sole measure of a person. Vaughters, Aldag, Andreu, and a few others, have worked hard to change the sport and given opportunities. Tossing them out is myopic and would only damage the sport further.

Never defended Armstrong troll. Never said doping was the measure of a person either, just want them out of the sport. You are obsessed with LA, a clean sport is not your agenda. Keep up your fight with LA, good on ya, but don't pretend it goes any deeper.

 

[mastersracer]

I'm surprised Barry is not on the list.

Jemison is a bit of a shock. He retired a loooong time ago.




Uh huh.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2002/interviews/jemison02.shtml

Barry never rode the Tour with Armstrong - what will come out is that Armstrong and Bruyneel required anyone on the Tour team to be on their program.

 

[MacRoadie]

Or that Lance is blowing smoke about what happened in the GJ just like everybody else was blowing smoke.

Obviously.

My point was in response to Lance's posit re: "You know for sure there was no deliberation?" and I was pointing out that IF they had, there were two options. Neither of which were mentioned in the press release or the news presser.

We're not sure (at least not with metaphysical certitude), but we're pretty sure given that neither of the outcomes associated with the jury deliberating came to pass.

 

[MarkvW]

Obviously.

My point was in response to Lance's posit re: "You know for sure there was no deliberation?" and I was pointing out that IF they had, there were two options. Neither of which were mentioned in the press release or the news presser.

We're not sure (at least not with metaphysical certitude), but we're pretty sure given that neither of the outcomes associated with the jury deliberating came to pass.

Sorry. My misunderstanding.

 

[Big Doopie]

Wow! He's a part owner of the events he's competing in? What a screaming conflict of interest.

didn't he want to buy the tour de france a few years back. his m.o. has always been to put organizations and people in conflict of interest and tie them up with money so they have to comply to his demands.

 

[DirtyWorks]

And now it makes total sense that Armstrong wasn't tested at his first event down in Panama. He's totally got a stake in the action.

And how many other pro triathletes got their own WTC board meeting to consider junking the rule that kept them out of competition pending their anti-doping cases? I'd hate to be is Messick's shoes right now. On one hand, he's got Lance giving him beat-downs over the phone, and on the other side, the world is watching. Messick ultimately chose to preserve his sport, even though he was banking on Lance to help bring it up to the next level.

We don't know the deal Messick did though. The USADA stuff could unwind it, (doubtful) or maybe it screws Messick as in mandatory appearance payout because it's not Armstong's fault he can't appear, so pay up. It totally depends on the deal and we don't know what it is. If they haven't already, I'm sure both parties are checking out their agreement and billable legal hours will be generated. I wonder if both parties can afford a legal p1ss1ng match.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Well said. Apologies warranted & needed to heal the sport.

The greatest apology would be to Hincapie for tainting his entire career.

George started his first cornice of Purgatory when he began as a domestique for Cadel

 

[Dallas_]

Question marks

Just curious. Was Armstrong ever linked to doping prior to his 1993 world championship victory? Or is that victory considered by haters to be clean?

Dark cumulonimbus hanging over every one of Wonderboy's podiums. No exceptions
.

 

[rhubroma]

I think that, like many others, you fail to distinguish between levels of doping, levels of involvement in doping, and of course different types of action from stupidity to sheer evil. Every doper should be found out and receive an appropriate sanction, but the lifetime ban is a punishment reserved for those who commit the worst offenses against a sport. Read the USADA letter again. Armstrong is not merely accused of doping. He is accused of corrupting the entire sport. He is accused of distributing drugs to others, he is accused of using threats and coercion to enforce a code of silence, and he is accused of many years of an organized conspiracy to deceive antidoping authorities. It is also well known that he has been accused of improperly influencing the UCI with his monetary donations. Do you seriously want us to put Dave Zabriskie in the same category as Lance Armstrong? Has Dave Zabriskie made large contributions to the UCI? Has Dave Zabriskie chased down breakaways because they criticized his doctor? Has Dave Zabriskie been accused of not just doping, but of running a major organized multimillion dollar doping operation, coercing teammates into doping, coercing everybody into silence, using threats to enforce omerta? No, there are reasons why it is more important that Armstrong face justice than that Zabriskie or Hincapie face justice. If the allegations are true, Armstrong was not merely a drug consumer, he was a kingpin who bought wholesale and distributed to others.

We can and we should make distinctions between different levels of involvement with doping. The best thing about this procedure is that finally the team manager and the doctors are targets too, not just the riders. I think the team manger who operates a doping system is far, far worse than most of the riders. I actually sympathize with some riders who might have doped.

Well said, but just a precision: in fact the doctors have been targets for quite some time now. Ferrara has been banned for life from associating with the athletes by Coni (which is why Pozzato is in deep doo-doo presently for having encountered him over the recent past (la Reppublica and la Gazzetta dello Sport), so too was Santuccione (which cost Di Luca a 3 month stop, for having in any case frequented him); OP has left Fuentes out.

It's the riders themselves who seek these so-called medics. Thus it is a completely simbiotic relationship, like the parasite is to the host. There is no other way to way to save the sport at this point, than to kill both, parasite and host alike. Because one can't survive without the other.

I propose the governments impose a ban on cycling for at least 2 years (actually, all pro sport should be eliminated for say 5). Take up the tree, roots and all. Capito? Light therapies won't do, we have seen this before over and over again, but only a radical and ultimately lethal treatment can have any long-term effect.

That way a strong message is sent to the up and coming generation (riders, DSs, sponsors, medics, addicted fans who continue to sustain the charade), not the current one mind you, which is hopelessly lost, but the one after that. The game, as it has been played for years now, must no longer be tolerated. I realize this unfairly cause some innocent victims, but no such radical treatment comes without its unpleasant side effects after all.

Am I being facetious? No. Realistic in establishing the basis for the only treatment that has any shot at saving sport? I don't know. Because with all the money involved, how can it be saved? The only other possibility is to legalize doping. However, unlike legalizing recreational drugs, condoning doping means that the game we see is always false. Yet even this is probably not of much concern of greedy and addicted athletes and fans alike.

 

[sniper]

Irony Man

Wow! He's a part owner of the events he's competing in?

it's way better than that:
he's part owner of the events he's been banned from.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Not sure if markvw is impressed or shocked at the conflict interest? Armstrong doesnt bother pursuing any economic endeavor without stacking the deck. Just look at the livestrong endorsement arrangements.

 

[Benotti69]

didn't he want to buy the tour de france a few years back. his m.o. has always been to put organizations and people in conflict of interest and tie them up with money so they have to comply to his demands.

It will be interesting to hear from others who compete in Ironman and how they feel about this. The guy not getting tested and on the podium is part owner. Hmmmmm, smells doesn't it.

So glad that he is not part owner of ASO/TdF.

 

[sniper]

It will be interesting to hear from others who compete in Ironman and how they feel about this. The guy not getting tested and on the podium is part owner. Hmmmmm, smells doesn't it.

So glad that he is not part owner of ASO/TdF.

not only does it smell, it's baffling.
think of the narcistic, arrogant mind-set required to time and time again insult his competitors' as well as the audience's intelligence with constructions such as this one and, more baffling still, thinking one can get away with it.

This guy must be surrounded by ***-lickers. Otherwise I don't understand why nobody has ever told him enough is enough.

 

[benzwire]

Does Livingston still work/run his fitness program at Mellow Johnny's?

Yes, Livingston still works there.

 

[Benotti69]

not only does it smell, it's baffling.
think of the narcistic, arrogant mind-set required to time and time again insult his competitors' as well as the audience's intelligence with constructions such as this one and, more baffling still, thinking one can get away with it.

This guy must be surrounded by ***-lickers. Otherwise I don't understand why nobody has ever told him enough is enough.

I guess he gives them enough scraps to keep them happy.

 

[rhubroma]

not only does it smell, it's baffling.
think of the narcistic, arrogant mind-set required to time and time again insult his competitors' as well as the audience's intelligence with constructions such as this one and, more baffling still, thinking one can get away with it.

This guy must be surrounded by ***-lickers. Otherwise I don't understand why nobody has ever told him enough is enough.

That's right. So long as there has been money to be made off him, he maintains his court. When/if he goes down, I think the Texan finds out he hasn't got a real friend in the world, except, perhaps, JB.

If ever a couple deserved each other, they'd be it.

On a final note the corporate sponsors who made or increased their brand on Armstrong, from Trek to Nike, from Oakley, to US Postal to Discovery, etc, given that much of this info has been out there for years, should be boycotted by the cycling community.

 

[patricknd]

Time for a grass-roots effort to begin in The Clinic. Worldwide "Come out of the doping closet" day. They can't very well toss everyone from the sport if everyone crosses the line at the same time.

And yes, that is John Travolta in "The Boy in the Plastic Bubble" (1976). One day, he came out of the closet and left that bubble behind. Ironic, eh?

Seriously. A game of musical chairs is going on right now. Pro cyclists can either be part of the steamroller or part of the road. Choose.

i don't think he's outof the closet yet, but these recent claims may be forcing that door open

 

[BotanyBay]

WTC is owned by a PE group who want to expand it greatly, sell it, then pocket a bunch of cash.

They hired Messick, a big name in sports, they then bought a group of races in Australia. They then made the big mistake of getting into bed with Armstrong

It is too bad they banned him. I was looking forward to him messing up that sport too.

OK, so change "Messick chose to preserve his sport" to "Messick chose to preserve the investment".

Wow, I never thought I'd hear "Private Equity" and "Triathlon" in the same sentence.

At least now we know what we could smell a mile away. Lance isn't doing Triathlon because he misses the sport. The sport hired him as a male prostitute to help draw entrants who all want to say "Yeah, I raced with that dude".

 

[jonny testaronny]

Jemison Is Surprising

Insert Jemison an Kevin L. Take out Berry, Cruz, and McCarty

Jemison didn't ride for USPS that long, so I'm surprised he's one of the 10. Did he ever ride the tour with LA? What I'm wondering more about is, what rider spilled the beans on the pre-cancer LA doping? Seems like it'd have to be more than Andreu, or the hospital-room incident, to be enough for USADA to mention it.

 

[Fidolix]

U.S. Postal conspiracy evolves day by day. The Italian authorities have just announced that they have uncovered a payment from Lance Armstrong to the Italian doctor Michele Ferrari at $ 465,000. The payment occurred in 2006, while Armstrong has always claimed that he stopped working with Ferrari in 2004.

On Wednesday launched USADA their proceedings against Armstrong, Bruyneel, Michele Ferrari and the old U.S. Postal personnel, and it seems to be perhaps the largest and most important case in cycling history. Payment to Ferrari was uncovered by an investigation committee chaired by Judge Benedetto Roberti, who cooperated with the U.S. FDA study, led by chief investigating Jeff Novitsky told Het Laatste Nieuws.
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FDA (Federal Drug Agency) and Novitsky gave up their case in February this year, and at this time, all information on the above payment is apparently not available yet. But the Director of USADA, Travis Tygart, has already announced that his investigation team has taken over all the files and information from Novitsky study.
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Cooperation between Armstrong and Italian doctor does not seem to have stopped after 2004 anyway. Michele Ferrari is also sentenced to life-long quarantine of the Italian cycling federation.


Do you feel your azz getting hotter mr. Dopestrong?
Anyone who believes he ever was clean should get their head examined - in my humble opinion...

 

[Anonymous]

U.S. Postal conspiracy evolves day by day. The Italian authorities have just announced that they have uncovered a payment from Lance Armstrong to the Italian doctor Michele Ferrari at $ 465,000. The payment occurred in 2006, while Armstrong has always claimed that he stopped working with Ferrari in 2004.

On Wednesday launched USADA their proceedings against Armstrong, Bruyneel, Michele Ferrari and the old U.S. Postal personnel, and it seems to be perhaps the largest and most important case in cycling history. Payment to Ferrari was uncovered by an investigation committee chaired by Judge Benedetto Roberti, who cooperated with the U.S. FDA study, led by chief investigating Jeff Novitsky told Het Laatste Nieuws.
*
FDA (Federal Drug Agency) and Novitsky gave up their case in February this year, and at this time, all information on the above payment is apparently not available yet. But the Director of USADA, Travis Tygart, has already announced that his investigation team has taken over all the files and information from Novitsky study.
*
Cooperation between Armstrong and Italian doctor does not seem to have stopped after 2004 anyway. Michele Ferrari is also sentenced to life-long quarantine of the Italian cycling federation.


Do you feel your azz getting hotter mr. Dopestrong?
Anyone who believes he ever was clean should get their head examined - in my humble opinion...

Man, I hope this is true. Do you have a link? I have not seen this...