USADA - Armstrong

[TexPat]

He mentioned his friend getting "drug" through the mud.

That sounds kinda Texas to me.

Very close. Have a look at Texas regional accents. College is more deep east Texas. Piney woods, bad teeth, knuckle-dragging.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance will be here soon once he works out how to take USADA to the UN for treason.

Lance has been here many times. You can smell his G.E.D writing style from a mile away

 

[mewmewmew13]

so we also have a poster on here with the handle 'Lance Armstrong'

 

[Race Radio]

Very close. Have a look at Texas regional accents. College is more deep east Texas. Piney woods, bad teeth, knuckle-dragging.

Cousin Dating?

 

[Cal_Joe]

The Our Gang comedies???

They were always getting into some kind of mischief.

That's what LarryBud used to say.

 

[WinterRider]

It's not possible yet. If Armstrong and Co. testify under oath at a USADA hearing, by saying they didn't dope/didn't traffic/didn't coerce, it might be possible. The Feds have the evidence from the guys who did talk to them, which will prove the lie.

That's how I understand it to work anyway.

Lance already testified under oath that he did not dope. You can watch the video here:

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2011/armstrong-sca-deposition-videos

If USADA has sufficient proof that he doped, then those videos represent a perjury charge.

 

[red_flanders]

Folks, way off-topic and much too personal. Topic is Armstrong and the USADA, not posters here. Thanks.

 

[Jeremiah]

Lance will be here soon once he works out how to take USADA to the UN for treason.

Against the free world?

Maybe North Korea will give him asylum?

 

[JRTinMA]

Yea, you're against doping, unless your fraud of a hero has to face the music. Then you vomit the same thing that has been vomited here thousands of times for several years. Be original junior.

Bad news, that loser took you off his ignore list. He likes you now

 

[ElChingon]

so we also have a poster on here with the handle 'Lance Armstrong'

Should be him or someone's breaking the rules again (assuming he's only posting in the Clinic then it might be OK), I'm sure the mods are up on this

 

[DirtyWorks]

Bad news, that loser took you off his ignore list. He likes you now

False Positive.

Did you see what I did there??? I don't know why you guys don't put college on ignore.

Seriously, it feels pretty good now, but it's early days. There will be much more satisfaction if USADA closes the deal on Wonderboy and set off some more litigation.

USADA aren't even in spitting distance at this point. I say that as someone that wants to see a little justice too, so I'm out in the cheap seats cautiously watching and hoping another Friday press release doesn't drop out of the sky. That doesn't even get to all the damage that's been done either...

 

[Jeremiah]

Everything is speculation right now.

USADA evidence ... what is it? More than 10 people ? Until you really know what was testified to , you cannot say.

There's a lot of emotion on both sides.

Will cycling be better off ? We'll just have to play out. But as I see it, everyone is projecting their personal feelings into this, and that surely makes it fascinating.

Right/wrong. It depends who you ask.
I prefer ... positive and negative. Positive being integrative and a coming together. Negative being divisive and splitting apart. What we see here is all degrees of these forces at play. I see only one thing for certain .... we each believe what we do as truth, and are "right" in that truth. Yet we are "wrong" to others because it is not their "truth" .... and few are willing to see that both are both right AND wrong at the same time, as most want to "win". At what cost ? Look at how some people are treating each other here to win in their "rightness" . Just because it's been that way.. doesn't mean it has to BE that way again. Ever our choice.

Are you Eckhart Tolle?

 

[BikeCentric]

I'm just going to throw in my quick two cents as a person who made a cycling a huge part of my life for about 10 years.

Lance Armstrong and his amazing story is the guy who inspired me to start riding bikes and then start racing them. My own personal level of enthusiasm for the sport was kind of inexorably tied to the Lance myth and as I discovered the fraud and lies of the Lance myth I lost a lot of passion for the sport. I kept on with it anway for a number of years, mainly because I had gotten well above average fast and it's kind of the pyschology of past investment, not wanting to throw away the time already invested to get where I was.

In time as I rose through the ranks of the sport, only to the lowly level of top level amateur, I saw for myself many many times the way the sport had been corrupted. Yes I saw doping personally several times, yes I heard of many doping insinuations among amateurs accusing each other, I saw people crash each other out of malice, I saw many an angry word in the pack, and this just among amateurs.

I saw a sport in a very sad state.

At this point I suppose that I hope that busting one of the biggest names and the biggest frauds in the history of the sport will serve in some way to help turn it around and turn cycling back down the path of all the immense potential it has of being such a great sport.

But I don't hold out much hope as I don't care to set myself up for disappointment yet again.

 

[rata de sentina]

so we also have a poster on here with the handle 'Lance Armstrong'

Personally I miss 'WonderLance' of all the 'fanboys' probably the most coherent arguments.

 

[Jeremiah]

I think that, like many others, you fail to distinguish between levels of doping, levels of involvement in doping, and of course different types of action from stupidity to sheer evil. Every doper should be found out and receive an appropriate sanction, but the lifetime ban is a punishment reserved for those who commit the worst offenses against a sport. Read the USADA letter again. Armstrong is not merely accused of doping. He is accused of corrupting the entire sport. He is accused of distributing drugs to others, he is accused of using threats and coercion to enforce a code of silence, and he is accused of many years of an organized conspiracy to deceive antidoping authorities. It is also well known that he has been accused of improperly influencing the UCI with his monetary donations. Do you seriously want us to put Dave Zabriskie in the same category as Lance Armstrong? Has Dave Zabriskie made large contributions to the UCI? Has Dave Zabriskie chased down breakaways because they criticized his doctor? Has Dave Zabriskie been accused of not just doping, but of running a major organized multimillion dollar doping operation, coercing teammates into doping, coercing everybody into silence, using threats to enforce omerta? No, there are reasons why it is more important that Armstrong face justice than that Zabriskie or Hincapie face justice. If the allegations are true, Armstrong was not merely a drug consumer, he was a kingpin who bought wholesale and distributed to others.

We can and we should make distinctions between different levels of involvement with doping. The best thing about this procedure is that finally the team manager and the doctors are targets too, not just the riders. I think the team manger who operates a doping system is far, far worse than most of the riders. I actually sympathize with some riders who might have doped.

DZ wasn't above calling Decanio a "bitter crackpot," and say what you will, if everybody had the guts of Decanio this nonsense would have come to a head long ago.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I hope so too, I'd be really upset if I found that Wiggo is doping too.

Sky just got a healthy dose of the magical climbing powers bestowed to all who visit Tenerife to train. Sky's current team doctor did Rabo's voluntary doping program...

Check the Sky and Tenerife thread.....

 

[Jeremiah]

If you had a beer with JV he would tell you everything. He is not shy.

For a long time a questioned why he did not speak up publicly but now it makes sense. If he had he would have just been another statistic. He would have lost his team and been smeared.

Instead he waited until there was a real opportunity to crush the bully and then threw everything he had at it. USADA's case is not only Floyd and Tyler, it has many of JV riders and staff. Wonderboy certainly hates Floyd and Tyler but JV is also on his hate podium.

I don't always agree with him but long term his strategy is winning

He is defending Wigans very strenuously and attributed BW's success to Sky's large budget and good organization.

Sounds a little absurd to me.

 

[BotanyBay]

Decanio on Vaughters and beating the EPO test...

http://su13.us/this_just_in___/view/18617/how_to_avoid_testing_positive

"This was explained to me by Jonathan Vaughters who you should know if you know anything about pro cycling.* As he was my teammate on Prime Alliance I will tell you what he told me was the way to avoid testing positive for EPO.* I used EPO briefly but never tested positive.* But I was never tested for EPO while using it but if I was a constant I imagine Vaughters technique would have been the way Lance could have gotten away with it.* Please keep in mind they didn't have a test for many years, and Lance's samples that were frozen and saved, all of his B samples tested positive for EPO when later tested.* He got away with it, and if you look at the case of Kayle Leogrande, he had positive B samples, and an eye witness to him admitting his usage, well Lance did too.* Frankie Andreu and his wife in the hospital room.* The SCA Promotions Trial.* Lance had numerous B samples test positive.* Well Kayle got busted and Lance got off then.* Lance should have been sanctioned then if the system was fair.

Back to avoiding the positive test by Vaughters.* He told when you use EPO it produces a synthetic product in your blood and this is what is flagged.* But if you use EPO and put your body at altitude this will cause your body to replace those flags so you will not test positive for EPO.* So having an altitude chamber or living at altitude while using EPO you will not test positive for EPO.

That is from the highest secrets of the pro racers.* Consider with careful planning how Lance could have avoided testing positive.

Matt DeCanio"

Remember back when Lance used to talk in interviews about how inconvenient it was to sleep in the 'tude tent while being married to Kik?

 

[jackwolf]

He mentioned his friend getting "drug" through the mud.

That sounds kinda Texas to me.

Sounds like a Freudian slip to me.

 

[sniper]

He says he's been working with Errani? What a troll.

But she certainly didn't attribute her French Open success to García del Moral. In fact, her brother Davide Errani said that besides a routine cardiac exam, she had never been treated by García del Moral. He added that she had earned her success through perseverance and hard work.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303703004577473003044421504.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

right, we definitely need to fly in a spanish doctor to do that...



anyway, I heard it was the mid-season change of rackets that had gotten her going.

 

[sniper]

Decanio on Vaughters and beating the EPO test...

http://su13.us/this_just_in___/view/18617/how_to_avoid_testing_positive

"This was explained to me by Jonathan Vaughters who you should know if you know anything about pro cycling.* As he was my teammate on Prime Alliance I will tell you what he told me was the way to avoid testing positive for EPO.* I used EPO briefly but never tested positive.* But I was never tested for EPO while using it but if I was a constant I imagine Vaughters technique would have been the way Lance could have gotten away with it.* Please keep in mind they didn't have a test for many years, and Lance's samples that were frozen and saved, all of his B samples tested positive for EPO when later tested.* He got away with it, and if you look at the case of Kayle Leogrande, he had positive B samples, and an eye witness to him admitting his usage, well Lance did too.* Frankie Andreu and his wife in the hospital room.* The SCA Promotions Trial.* Lance had numerous B samples test positive.* Well Kayle got busted and Lance got off then.* Lance should have been sanctioned then if the system was fair.

Back to avoiding the positive test by Vaughters.* He told when you use EPO it produces a synthetic product in your blood and this is what is flagged.* But if you use EPO and put your body at altitude this will cause your body to replace those flags so you will not test positive for EPO.* So having an altitude chamber or living at altitude while using EPO you will not test positive for EPO.

That is from the highest secrets of the pro racers.* Consider with careful planning how Lance could have avoided testing positive.

Matt DeCanio"

Remember back when Lance used to talk in interviews about how inconvenient it was to sleep in the 'tude tent while being married to Kik?

from garmin's 2012 calender:
January 16 – 26 Team Training Camp Calpe, Spain


Vaughters' "perception is reality" strategy is definitely winning.

 

[fatsprintking]

Decanio on Vaughters and beating the EPO test...

http://su13.us/this_just_in___/view/18617/how_to_avoid_testing_positive

"This was explained to me by Jonathan Vaughters who you should know if you know anything about pro cycling.* As he was my teammate on Prime Alliance I will tell you what he told me was the way to avoid testing positive for EPO.* I used EPO briefly but never tested positive.* But I was never tested for EPO while using it but if I was a constant I imagine Vaughters technique would have been the way Lance could have gotten away with it.* Please keep in mind they didn't have a test for many years, and Lance's samples that were frozen and saved, all of his B samples tested positive for EPO when later tested.* He got away with it, and if you look at the case of Kayle Leogrande, he had positive B samples, and an eye witness to him admitting his usage, well Lance did too.* Frankie Andreu and his wife in the hospital room.* The SCA Promotions Trial.* Lance had numerous B samples test positive.* Well Kayle got busted and Lance got off then.* Lance should have been sanctioned then if the system was fair.

Back to avoiding the positive test by Vaughters.* He told when you use EPO it produces a synthetic product in your blood and this is what is flagged.* But if you use EPO and put your body at altitude this will cause your body to replace those flags so you will not test positive for EPO.* So having an altitude chamber or living at altitude while using EPO you will not test positive for EPO.

That is from the highest secrets of the pro racers.* Consider with careful planning how Lance could have avoided testing positive.

Matt DeCanio"

Remember back when Lance used to talk in interviews about how inconvenient it was to sleep in the 'tude tent while being married to Kik?

Thanks for the link - its an interesting site

 

[Ferminal]

Decanio on Vaughters and beating the EPO test...

http://su13.us/this_just_in___/view/18617/how_to_avoid_testing_positive

"This was explained to me by Jonathan Vaughters who you should know if you know anything about pro cycling.* As he was my teammate on Prime Alliance I will tell you what he told me was the way to avoid testing positive for EPO.* I used EPO briefly but never tested positive.* But I was never tested for EPO while using it but if I was a constant I imagine Vaughters technique would have been the way Lance could have gotten away with it.* Please keep in mind they didn't have a test for many years, and Lance's samples that were frozen and saved, all of his B samples tested positive for EPO when later tested.* He got away with it, and if you look at the case of Kayle Leogrande, he had positive B samples, and an eye witness to him admitting his usage, well Lance did too.* Frankie Andreu and his wife in the hospital room.* The SCA Promotions Trial.* Lance had numerous B samples test positive.* Well Kayle got busted and Lance got off then.* Lance should have been sanctioned then if the system was fair.

Back to avoiding the positive test by Vaughters.* He told when you use EPO it produces a synthetic product in your blood and this is what is flagged.* But if you use EPO and put your body at altitude this will cause your body to replace those flags so you will not test positive for EPO.* So having an altitude chamber or living at altitude while using EPO you will not test positive for EPO.

That is from the highest secrets of the pro racers.* Consider with careful planning how Lance could have avoided testing positive.

Matt DeCanio"

Remember back when Lance used to talk in interviews about how inconvenient it was to sleep in the 'tude tent while being married to Kik?

Interesting, if true it makes the benefits of altitude training a bit more obvious.

Doesn't sound right though, you would still have to be careful along Frei lines. Maybe not too relevant in the passport era either.

 

[roundabout]

from garmin's 2012 calender:
January 16 – 26 Team Training Camp Calpe, Spain


Vaughters' "perception is reality" strategy is definitely winning.

Calpe is somewhere between Valencia and Alicante. There are no high mountains there.

 

[sniper]

Calpe is somewhere between Valencia and Alicante. There are no high mountains there.

True. It's mountaneous but not high altitude.

but then still: you find semi-mountaneous areas all over the globe.
so why go to Spain at all? ..........
Well, I can think of a couple of reason, and the sunny wheather isn't one of them.
Doesn't really improve my "perception" of Garmin, now that I think of it.