USADA - Armstrong

[thehog]

Interesting:

@NYDNSportsITeam: Lance Armstrong's USADA complaint still hasn't appeared on the federal docket online, but you can read it here: http://t.co/OrJ26ZAp

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Get you hands on a proper dictionary and you'll find--appropriately enough to this situation-that a basic definition of belie is betray. Betray ignorance, confirm ignorance. Think of it as an LSAT verbal question.

I asked a question of an individual how they would characterize it. That needn't conflict with legal precedent. You yourself are not in agreement with all SC rulings-for example.

As an LSAT scholar, I also know that the first definition of belie is: to give a false impression of

"Your sentence "I don't find much in my post that belies an ignorance of that definition."...so let me plug the definition in: "I don't find much in my post that gives a false impression of and ignorance of that definition..." You are correct, noting in your post gives a false impression of your ignorance of that definition. The fact is that this is the sentence you meant to write "I don't find much in my post that confirms an ignorance of that definition." Confirm and belie are antonyms. But I digress...

I am not in disagreement with ANY SC precedent to suggest that the "state actor" argument proffered by Lance's legal team has yet to be addressed by the SC, and as such, characterizing the USADA as a "state actor" at this point runs counter to the plain language of ANY of the cases.

Toodles!

 

[henryg]

Thats exaclty what LA wants, to cross examine any ex teammates who made statements. He will win in a landslide after his lawyers ask questions such as this:

1) Were you offered immunity in exchange for your testimony against LA?

2) Is it true that you previously said “Lance never doped” hundreds of times before you changed your story to protect your own interests?

Those ex teammates will get torn apart in any court.

If they were offered immunity or reduced penalties for cooperation, so what? This is normal in these circumstances and will have little effect on credibility. Their testimony will match what they told the grand jury under penalty of perjury. Would Lance risk perjury charges to lie? You bet he did not testify under oath.

Who ever said in sworn testimony Lance never doped? Anyone of the likely witnesses even say such a definitive statement to the press? I'm sure they avoided answering any question like that and never said any such thing under oath. Like Lance, most of these guys have refused to answer any questions on the matter and are only doing so now because they have been compelled to.

You would normally hear "never failed a test", etc., rather then a direct answer such as I never took any PEDs ever. There is good reason for that evasiveness.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So then, was the whole "I won't fight anymore" just a clever ploy or is it just anytime he opens his mouth nothing but lies fly out?

 

[Mount Megiddo]

For Armstrong.

There is nothing that says that information gleened from people who voluntarily came to the USADA to reveal doping has to be kept secret. People outside the USADA that were subject to intimidation by Armstrong can help the press out.

Gotta play hardball.

leak leak leak

Much of the evidence is already out there and has done damage to his reputation. Leaking would only hurt the reputations of the witnesses. It is also important that the USADA act with integrity otherwise what's the point?

 

[Mount Megiddo]

I think Armstrong should come clean and ask for forgiveness. It wouldn't dramatically change most people's opinions of him, and inside the sport it is already known about.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

LA and Co. getting taken to the cleaners (other that one poster) so far in the comments section here in one of Canada's largest national newspapers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/lance-armstrong-sues-usada-to-block-doping-charges/article4399239/comments/

Of course, having posted up this link it will probably hit the radar of the LA minion brigade now who will seek to stem the bleeding. Unless they are otherwise occupied already this morning trying to do same in hundreds of other publications.

 

[python]

Let's assume these desperate maneuvers by Texas succeed, let's assume his lawyers did their homework and filed the motion in the us state that every in America knows is a separate country not a state of the USA...let's assume he got his local legislators lined up to put pressure on the local court...

This all should be to no avail to the Texas fraud because the usada has already obtained full backing from wada that can go directly to CAS to appeal any case wada feels is worth it. Armstrong is done in the sporting doping sense no matter what his fraud-facilitating legal team invent in America...

 

[aphronesis]

As an LSAT scholar, I also know that the first definition of belie is: to give a false impression of

"Your sentence "I don't find much in my post that belies an ignorance of that definition."...so let me plug the definition in: "I don't find much in my post that gives a false impression of and ignorance of that definition..." You are correct, noting in your post gives a false impression of your ignorance of that definition. The fact is that this is the sentence you meant to write "I don't find much in my post that confirms an ignorance of that definition." Confirm and belie are antonyms. But I digress...

I am not in disagreement with ANY SC precedent to suggest that the "state actor" argument proffered by Lance's legal team has yet to be addressed by the SC, and as such, characterizing the USADA as a "state actor" at this point runs counter to the plain language of ANY of the cases.

Toodles!

Well an LSAT scholar is something to be proud of. As an undergrad LSAT teacher, I doubt I'd have had much use for you. Or people who stop at "first definitions." Runs a little contrary to the anti LA theme wouldn't you say?

Ta.

 

[BroDeal]

Much of the evidence is already out there and has done damage to his reputation. Leaking would only hurt the reputations of the witnesses. It is also important that the USADA act with integrity otherwise what's the point?

I don't think all the evidence is out there by a long shot. People who follow the Armstrong fraud saga know everything in general terms, but it is the details that make a story interesting and credible to people with a casual interest.

A transcript from someone like Hincapie would be absolutely devastating.

Think of the transcript of the seven hour Kimmage-Landis interview and imagine something similar that describes the Postal doping program.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Well an LSAT scholar is something to be proud of. As an undergrad LSAT teacher, I doubt I'd have had much use for you. Or people who stop at "first definitions." Runs a little contrary to the anti LA theme wouldn't you say?

Ta.

Oh stop it with the immature one-upmanship ****.

This is pretty tiresome

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hope this guy has to file bankruptcy (like for example Michael Vick) after his attorneys collected the bills and his sponsors sued him for all the grift (+interest).

P.s.: And i hope the thing isn´t trou for Birotte. He shall sink too for what he did.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

How do you know the answers? got proof? supply it if you do.

How do you know the answers? Please supply a proof LL said Lance did not dope a 100 times, CVDV, GH, his x-wife...ect. Let's see where each of these people have said publicly multiple times Lance did not dope.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think all the evidence is out there by a long shot. People who follow the Armstrong fraud saga know everything in general terms, but it is the details that make a story interesting and credible to people with a casual interest.

A transcript from someone like Hincapie would be absolutely devastating.

Think of the transcript of the seven hour Kimmage-Landis interview and imagine something similar that describes the Postal doping program.

It's all going to make a pretty good book.

Maybe Sally Jenkins can write it. Oh, wait...

 

[PedalPusher]

Yes, but an investigation of that point is not out of order from my perspective. They were there, nobody says otherwise. As such, the question of whether that should constitute them being a state actor in this instance is one I think a court could easily justify looking into.

This was already decided in a previous case. USADA is not considered a "state actor" by legal definition. The Supreme Court has set an exact guideline in determining a "state actor". The USADA does not meet that definition as decided in precedents.

 

[Anonymous]

Hope this guy has to file bankruptcy (like for example Michael Vick) after his attorneys collected the bills and his sponsors sued him for all the grift (+interest).

P.s.: And i hope the thing isn´t trou for Birotte. He shall sink too for what he did.

I'm starting to wonder if this was a broader plan.

I think most (casual observers) may conclude that LA probably doesn't belong in prison. Given the Fed track record, they probably knew that their case may not have been a slam dunk.

Let USADA take the case on the doping piece, which is likely far more provable. My $.02

If this comes to light then I owe Birotte an apology (not that he gives a crap).

 

[Race Radio]

111 pages is a data dump. It is a desperation play that hopes a local judge is a groupie who will ignore the law and delay things for a while. I can't see how any of it will ever stand up.

Did Lance even read the contract he signed with the UCI?

"Any dispute...shall be submitted to arbitration and shall not be brought before any court...

That USADA is not a state actor has been proven many times. USADA wins.

 

[roadfreak44]

Usadas Incomptetence

One thing that most overlook in this melee is the COLOSSAL incompetence of USADA in all of this. If LA is proven to be guilty as charged then conversely USADA will also be proven to be guilty from the CEO on down -of incredible incompetence. If LA is proven guilty, I for one am very happy to see the proverbial clock cleaned, but also think that Tygart and the rest of the idiots at usada that allowed this to go one for a decade under their very noses should also go down in flames. It stands to reason that no one can get away with cheating unless the system that oversees them is either incompetent or corrupt. Neither of those conditions is acceptable.

 

[Race Radio]

Thats exaclty what LA wants, to cross examine any ex teammates who made statements. He will win in a landslide after his lawyers ask questions such as this:

1) Were you offered immunity in exchange for your testimony against LA?

2) Is it true that you previously said “Lance never doped” hundreds of times before you changed your story to protect your own interests?

Those ex teammates will get torn apart in any court.

Q:When did you approach USADA to tell them about doping in the sport?

A: 2005

Q: Um, oh. Why do you love cancer and hate excellence?

 

[Race Radio]

One thing that most overlook in this melee is the COLOSSAL incompetence of USADA in all of this. If LA is proven to be guilty as charged then conversely USADA will also be proven to be guilty from the CEO on down -of incredible incompetence. If LA is proven guilty, I for one am very happy to see the proverbial clock cleaned, but also think that Tygart and the rest of the idiots at usada that allowed this to go one for a decade under their very noses should also go down in flames. It stands to reason that no one can get away with cheating unless the system that oversees them is either incompetent or corrupt. Neither of those conditions is acceptable.

Why would they be incompetent?

Perhaps you mean the UCI? USADA only had over site of 3 years of Armstrong's career. The UCI ignored and enabled his doping for decades. They withheld his BioPassport test results from USADA for over 2 years then destroyed the samples.

 

[Mount Megiddo]

I don't think all the evidence is out there by a long shot. People who follow the Armstrong fraud saga know everything in general terms, but it is the details that make a story interesting and credible to people with a casual interest.

A transcript from someone like Hincapie would be absolutely devastating.

Think of the transcript of the seven hour Kimmage-Landis interview and imagine something similar that describes the Postal doping program.

Landis is more famous with the public than Hincapie and his evidence is out there. So is Hamilton's evidence. With Hincapie, he would be extremely apologetic for Armstrong and suger coat everything. He maintains he has huge respect for Armstrong and his achievements. I don't think it would change much.

 

[MacRoadie]

One thing that most overlook in this melee is the COLOSSAL incompetence of USADA in all of this. If LA is proven to be guilty as charged then conversely USADA will also be proven to be guilty from the CEO on down -of incredible incompetence. If LA is proven guilty, I for one am very happy to see the proverbial clock cleaned, but also think that Tygart and the rest of the idiots at usada that allowed this to go one for a decade under their very noses should also go down in flames. It stands to reason that no one can get away with cheating unless the system that oversees them is either incompetent or corrupt. Neither of those conditions is acceptable.

Do you have one or two words left to actually describe said incompetence?

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Well an LSAT scholar is something to be proud of. As an undergrad LSAT teacher, I doubt I'd have had much use for you. Or people who stop at "first definitions." Runs a little contrary to the anti LA theme wouldn't you say?

Ta.

Blah blah blah who cares? Please stay on topic.

 

[aphronesis]

How do you know the answers? Please supply a proof LL said Lance did not dope a 100 times, CVDV, GH, his x-wife...ect. Let's see where each of these people have said publicly multiple times Lance did not dope.

Sure thing ace. How are you defining public in the above post? Bistro in Santa Rosa? That should lock it down.

 

[Topangarider]

So if US Court issues injunction then USADA turns over case to WADA? Wouldn't the injunction prevent that? But if WADA assumes the case then it's outside US jurisdiction?