USADA - Armstrong

[neineinei]

To see Armstrong revealed as a notorious doper would have to mean that the anti doping testing in the Tour was either corrupt or very flawed. Clearly none of those explanations are sitting well with the former Chief Doping Inspector at the Tour de France, so he opts for the only explanation that can suit him, Armstrong has never doped, and everyone who is saying he doped are lying. They are so jealous that they are perfectly willing to risk big lawsuits and their jobs and friends in cycling, only to see Armstrong lose his Tour de France wins and not be able to compete in triathlon.

 

[Benotti69]

What a complete d!ckhead. And to think he is one of the guys responsible for anti-doping at the TdF. Or was he maybe in on it and as corrupt as hell and is basically now sh!tting himself?

Regards
GJ

You have to laugh long and loud when people talk about the sport being cleaner when you hear guys like this on the radio.

How many like this idiot are still in the sport..........lots!

 

[Benotti69]

Great posts, Cal Joe.

I am all for bringing about the truth, the facts and having the past cleaned up. That includes Lance Armstrong.

But your points are spot on. An echo chamber, conspiracy theory and spin central command vs. what is actually happening and what we know so far...

We have had 15years of spin from Armstrong.

You want facts? How about Armstrong stand up and hear the accusations and defend himself?

He would if he had nothing to hide.

 

[Race Radio]

will The Clinic be recognized as a social group that can shed the acrimony and have intelligent discussions based on things other than rumors or myths?

Let us know when you decide to actually participate in the discussion instead of just tossing insults.

It is wishful thinking that this place is an "Echo Chamber" of 12 people. You know those legal documents that I post here? over 27,000 reads in the last few weeks.

It is only going to get worse Joe, best you start coming to grips with this

 

[Race Radio]

Martin works for the UCI, not the ASO. It should be no surprise that he jumps to defend Lance. The top guys at the UCI have come to the realization that they are in serious trouble, time to increase the shoveling of ****

Not going to help

 

[Microchip]

Ever been so digusted that you HAVE to post about how stupid the interviewee sounds? oohh...wait! Couldn't bear to continue listening to garbage so I stopped it.

Anyway, nobody's jealous of the other 5-time winners???!! Just him alone???!! Poor little thing.

 

[python]

This is clearly an empty head (just listen to his english, and he's Dutch ffs!)
......

you know, there's dutch mafia everywhere...that knuckle head belongs to the uci one headed by heiny and vrijman...

You belong to the one here in the clinic..(a wink and a friendly smile)

 

[Race Radio]

Ever been so digusted that you HAVE to post about how stupid the interviewee sounds? oohh...wait! Couldn't bear to continue listening to garbage so I stopped it.

Anyway, nobody's jealous of the other 5-time winners???!! Just him alone???!! Poor little thing.

The upper levels of the UCI are populated by people who are not there because of their intellectual or professional strengths but their willingness to be co-opted. Martin has been there for close to 2 decades. He has no problem making a fool out of himself because he knows times are desperate

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Never happened. I would expect others to make things up, but not you.

This is the major problem with The Clinic - if anyone questions a post on factual grounds, they are labeled a defender.

It does not appear that you actually read or understood my post. PM me if you would like to take this to an actual discussion sans the insults.

Oh really - I find that when I do that people say I create, whats the phrase, a vortex.
I have been called quite a lot of things (some I cannot repeat), but never a defender.

Facts are good, and help cut to the discussion or point - so what facts are you questioning?

I am not sure it is appropriate to destroy a Clinic Myth. Mr. Eleven, you are asking for trouble.

More Clinic Myths -



I would be interested if Velodude or Race Radio could back up either of their claims.

A bit of chatter on Twitter lately regarding a simile to religion versus a more objective, or unemotional, analysis (in other words, posters pushing wish lists, promoting Myths, etc. as Undoubtedly The Way Things Happened).

Some here think that social media may have the power to change things with cycling; I think that SM is a viable force and that effecting change through SM can happen. But when myths are propagated and can be dismissed as possible wish lists, that does not do anything to advance the changes cycling needs.

Serious question - what are you on about?

 

[sniper]

The upper levels of the UCI are populated by people who are not there because of their intellectual or professional strengths but their willingness to be co-opted. Martin has been there for close to 2 decades. He has no problem making a fool out of himself because he knows times are desperate

Judging strictly from Martin's English, his IQ is below sealevel.
English is generally really easy to learn for us Dutchees, cuz the two languages are closely related and because we have a lot of English input for obvious cultural reasons (e.g. lots of English TV channels, and no voice-doubling but subtitles).
But this guy's command of english (after two + decades in an international environment) makes my eyes rain.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Judging strictly from Martin's English, his IQ is below sealevel.
English is generally really easy to learn for us Dutchees, cuz the two languages are closely related and because we have a lot of English input for obvious cultural reasons (e.g. lots of English TV channels, and no voice-doubling but subtitles).
But this guy's command of english (after two + decades in an international environment) makes my eyes rain.

speaking of Dutch fanboys - is Mart Smeets still living strong? Or has he realised that the biggest crush he ever had has lied to him all these years.

"Lance why do these people make things up about you to hurt you?"

 

[Freddythefrog]

It is desperate

BBC Radio 5
A former Chief Doping Inspector at the Tour de France, Martin Bruin, talks to Shelagh as seven-time champion Lance Armstrong comes under suspicion once again.

Here

An idiot answering questions from someone who could not be ars*d to find out what she should be asking - two fools together.


Now tell me Martin, we have factual positives from "n" out of "n+3" of Lances team mates. None of them tested positive in the numerous Tours they rode apart from Floyd and Floyd states that he was on some other stuff, not the juice he was given a positive for. The guys that came 2nd and third to Lance, Like Jan have all been proved to be PED abusers and yet none of them tested positive in the Tour. Several of these former team mates have now given very specific testimony against him. From right now you appear to have two options - either you were in on the "grande deception" or your testing regimen was so weak, it let all these convicted dopers go through and as a consequence you have zero idea just who did or did not dope, and as a consequence your pretence forms a major part of the problem. Which option do you take ?

 

[Race Radio]

Some may remember that the UCI ran testing at the 2009 Tour. They did their normal job, giving Armstrong/Bruyneel special treatment

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Armstrongs-and-Alberto-Contadors-Astana.html

Anyone surprised the head UCI guy at the race was Martin?

When the story comes out that some managers are still getting advanced notice of testing from the UCI it will be interesting to see if Martin's name is attached

 

[sniper]

I assume Martin invited himself to the BBC interview?
I can't see the BBC going after this mastermind to ask him his opinion.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

I assume Martin invited himself to the BBC interview?
I can't see the BBC going after this mastermind to ask him his opinion.

Then worrying thing is that uninformed listeners will think that this guy is an objective professional in the best possible position to know if Lance was doping, rather than a paid liar who was part of the conspiracy and is trying to cover his tracks.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Can someone explain why if Armstrong loses his case before Judge Sparks in Texas he can start the process again in Louisiana? Surely Federal Court is the same in all states?

I believe that is a reference to where the court of appeals is. I'll let one of the lawyers here verify/correct.

Could barely make it through the Bruin interview. It's like the guy is living in a cave. Interesting that he focuses on "jealousy". And what exactly does he base this on? Their desire to get attention? And he bases that on..? I would have asked him if he felt that Rae Carruth's accusers were jealous about the life he lived and seeking attention? How about Jerry Sandusky? Does he think Mike McQueary was jealous and seeking attention?

Some may remember that the UCI ran testing at the 2009 Tour. They did their normal job, giving Armstrong/Bruyneel special treatment.

Anyone surprised the head UCI guy at the race was Martin?

Ahh, that explains a lot.

 

[D-Queued]

...

Many times visiting the threads here, when I see a post by a familiar poster, I already know, with some exceptions, (without reading the post) what the poster's attitude will be.

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This is such an odd argument.

Yes, not listening to what anyone else has to say tends to support one's own point of view without the messiness or risk of any illumination from other perspectives.

I am sure that I am not close to qualifying as one of the 12 apostles or the dirty dozen. But, I take it personally when part of a blanket accusation that those that post here regularly provide only emotional outbursts.

Personally, I have provided innumerable facts on McQuaid, Lance, et al. This includes, for example, Mike Anderson's deposition - that he himself did not have access to.

But, 'I' am very small.

Compared to the facts uncovered, daily, by Race Radio - notably including the charging letter link he posted in the OP to this thread - I am continually humbled.

Anyone that reads the Clinic and doesn't read every single RR post is missing cycling's version of 'Wikileaks'. Why would anyone be here if they weren't interested in these facts?

Surely they must have better things to do.

That is the question that speaks to real motives, and uncovers the real emotional outbursts.

Dave.

 

[Epicycle]

Some may remember that the UCI ran testing at the 2009 Tour. They did their normal job, giving Armstrong/Bruyneel special treatment

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Armstrongs-and-Alberto-Contadors-Astana.html

Anyone surprised the head UCI guy at the race was Martin?

When the story comes out that some managers are still getting advanced notice of testing from the UCI it will be interesting to see if Martin's name is attached

I can't forget Triki Beltran going off road in an attempt to sneak away from doping control when the AFLD took over the Tour testing in 2008, when he rode for Liquigas. He literally tried to ride through a field when he found out he had to give a sample immediately after the end of the stage. It was comical. The obvious implication was that Triki thought, "woah, this is not how the UCI does it". Of course he tested positive for EPO.

 

[thehog]

I can't forget Triki Beltran going off road in an attempt to sneak away from doping control when the AFLD took over the Tour testing in 2008, when he rode for Liquigas. He literally tried to ride through a field when he found out he had to give a sample immediately after the end of the stage. It was comical. The obvious implication was that Triki thought, "woah, this is not how the UCI does it". Of course he tested positive for EPO.

There’s a video of that somewhere on-line....

 

[Irish2009]

If only USADA had a witness on that Astana bus, that could explain why there was a delay of 45mins????? Sol wouldn't apply thats for sure, so if USADA are granted juristiction perhaps we'll get to hear exactly how it was done and why it was done, perhaps 1 of the UCI moles and the witness on the bus'es story will cooberate and no other evidence will be needed, i'd be damn worried if I was involved!!!!!!!

 

[Epicycle]

And there's this classic:

"Lance Armstrong had every right to take a shower while his manager (Astana team head Johan Bruyneel) checked with the UCI that these people (the AFLD) had the authority to take these samples." - Pat McQuaid

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/lance-armstrongs-showergate-saga-continues-21188/

 

[sniper]

Some may remember that the UCI ran testing at the 2009 Tour. They did their normal job, giving Armstrong/Bruyneel special treatment

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Armstrongs-and-Alberto-Contadors-Astana.html

Anyone surprised the head UCI guy at the race was Martin?

When the story comes out that some managers are still getting advanced notice of testing from the UCI it will be interesting to see if Martin's name is attached

I can't forget Triki Beltran going off road in an attempt to sneak away from doping control when the AFLD took over the Tour testing in 2008, when he rode for Liquigas. He literally tried to ride through a field when he found out he had to give a sample immediately after the end of the stage. It was comical. The obvious implication was that Triki thought, "woah, this is not how the UCI does it". Of course he tested positive for EPO.

And there's this classic:

"Lance Armstrong had every right to take a shower while his manager (Astana team head Johan Bruyneel) checked with the UCI that these people (the AFLD) had the authority to take these samples." - Pat McQuaid

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/lance-armstrongs-showergate-saga-continues-21188/

sweet details right here!
too bad they'll likely drown in this thread.
there should perhaps be a separate thread on how the USADA case is exposing (resp. going to expose) the UCI.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Originally Posted by Cal_Joe
Never happened. I would expect others to make things up, but not you.

This is the major problem with The Clinic - if anyone questions a post on factual grounds, they are labeled a defender.

Oh really - I find that when I do that people say I create, whats the phrase, a vortex.
I have been called quite a lot of things (some I cannot repeat), but never a defender.

Facts are good, and help cut to the discussion or point - so what facts are you questioning?


Serious question - what are you on about?

Doc, you have clearly missed the point here, Cal Joe is the only poster who uses the proper "facts" when he posts. When you question anything that he says you are in effect questioning the "truth".
It is a damn good thing we have him here to keep us all honest.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Come on guys keep things civil, and on track.

 

[D-Queued]

There’s a video of that somewhere on-line....

I know, I know... went looking for it a while back and couldn't find it.

Would love to get the link again. It is hilarious, especially when you know the outcome.

Dave.