USADA - Armstrong

[Animal]

Where is Chris Carmichael in all of this? He was Lance's coach/trainer during all of this supposed doping? Was he questioned or did he testify? Has he commented on the charges brought against Lance and others?

You mean his supposed coach/trainer during all this doping.

Easy mistake to make though.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Where is Chris Carmichael in all of this? He was Lance's coach/trainer during all of this supposed doping? Was he questioned or did he testify? Has he commented on the charges brought against Lance and others?

Ahhh Chris Carmichael... As deserving of ire as a Dr. Ferrari, perhaps more so for secretly doping minors, but pretty far down the competitive cycling stratum selling fail-proof plans to cycling enthusiasts based on shady history with Wonderboy.

That's who got Wonderboy on the dope as a Junior. That's ancient pre-WADA history. It would be nice if his name came up inside USADA's action, but I doubt it.

The puppetmasters that deserves naming and shaming is the Tailwind group including Wiesel.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Is USOC at good terms again with IOC, or is it still a bit tense between them because of that financial situation that led up to IOC members gleefully voting for Rio 2016 instead of Chicago 2016?

The revenue sharing deal USOC wanted is done. It doesn't mean a city would get it though. The Feds didn't take kindly to the graft and corruption at Salt Lake City, so the IOC might be a bit reluctant to host in the U.S. at all.

 

[dbrower]

I don't think the IOC will do anything, though. This sort of corruption is an expected part of everyone involved in the Olympics. People would be concerned that stepping on the UCI's turf could lead to their own turf being stepped on.

This meets my level of cynicism! I think there are a lot of people trying to figure out how and where to put a fire-break for this whole thing. This is where separating WADA from the IOC was important, or we wouldn't be here at all.

-dB

 

[thehog]

There's definitely less people on the sides of the road at the Tour since Lance retired.

 

[Animal]

There's definitely less people on the sides of the road at the Tour since Lance retired.

There's fewer interest in the Tour then!

 

[TubularBills]

I don't see how McQuaid could survive cycling being cut out of the Olympics. Every national federation would ask for his head. Take Great Britain for instance. With no possibility of going to the Olympics, fifteen million pounds of funding for cycling would disappear. What percentage of people involved in cycling development in GB would be out of a job? National feds all over the world would be devastated.

I don't think the IOC will do anything, though. This sort of corruption is an expected part of everyone involved in the Olympics. People would be concerned that stepping on the UCI's turf could lead to their own turf being stepped on. It would take something big to get cycling tossed from the Olympics. Hiding something that big may be why the UCI is trying to prevent the Armstrong case from going forward.

Curious if this outcome wouldn't be the perfect storm to finally rid cycling of the corruption and dope.

Others have said that the key is the sponsors - indicating that revenue and funding are the driving forces.

If the UCI implodes & takes down Olympic cycling and the federations lose their funding - they then have every incentive to get it back.

If clean cycling and a restored image is the key - the stage is set and we finally get the opportunity for a clean sport.

As improbable and idealistic as it sounds, perhaps USADA vs. LA leads directly to this outcome - if all the dirty laundry is finally center stage, transparent & very public.

 

[eporesis]

Ahhh Chris Carmichael...
[snip]

That's who got Wonderboy on the dope as a Junior.

Given the sporting milieu of Texas in the '80's, it's unlikely he was a virgin before hooking up with Carmicheal, unlike Strock or Kaiter.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Curious if this outcome wouldn't be the perfect storm to finally rid cycling of the corruption and dope.

Others have said that the key is the sponsors - indicating that revenue and funding are the driving forces.

If the UCI implodes & takes down Olympic cycling and the federations lose their funding - they then have every incentive to get it back.

If clean cycling and a restored image is the key - the stage is set and we finally get the opportunity for a clean sport.

As improbable and idealistic as it sounds, perhaps USADA vs. LA leads directly to this outcome - if all the dirty laundry is finally center stage, transparent & very public.

Agree.....regardless of the outcome with LA, all the crap will still be public with the arbitration hearings. So that conclusion will be reached with or without LA. He may skate based on a technicality, but in the public eye he will be seen for who he truly is. His legacy is toast. Hopefully this leads to an imploded UCI, and then a better starting point to go forward.

 

[avanti]

I have not followed USADA story in detail but if both the UCI and USAC think the UCI should be in charge of this investigation then could they decide to ignore whatever USADA concludes at the end of its investigation.

I believe whatever the outcome LA will still be listed as the winner of races he won.

In general I'm finding that LA is ancient news to the public and the media.

 

[ratherbeintobago]

I believe whatever the outcome LA will still be listed as the winner of races he won.

They'll give the wins to the runners up; after all, it's not like they doped, is it?

Oh.

Hang on...

Andy

 

[BYOP88]

They'll give the wins to the runners up; after all, it's not like they doped, is it?

Oh.

Hang on...

Andy

Worth the 16 month wait? I look forward to December 2013 for the next one.

 

[thehog]

They'll give the wins to the runners up; after all, it's not like they doped, is it?

Oh.

Hang on...

Andy

To me it doesn't matter if he's stripped of his wins. Because Lance wasn't doing it for titles. He was doing it for "them". The 28 million. Go Lance!

 

[D-Queued]

There's definitely less people on the sides of the road at the Tour since Lance retired.

The current peloton cannot afford the same extensive distribution network.

Dave.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

The current peloton cannot afford the same extensive distribution network.

Dave.

That was good!

 

[lostintime]

Armstrong won all those TDF's ... just as Landis won his ... and most if not all were cheering when we saw it happen live. You can erase (some) computers ... erase(some) books and records..... you can take trophies and destroy them and play shuffle with them .... but you cannot erase the memories. ... And we think schizophrenics are a little "off" in their perspectives ....lol

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

To me it doesn't matter if he's stripped of his wins. Because Lance wasn't doing it for titles. He was doing it for "them". The 28 million. Go Lance!

For a guy who "wasn't doing it for the titles"....he sure is fighting to retain the titles....oh wait ....he must be doing it for "them" as well.

Anyone just throw up in their mouth a bit?

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

I have not followed USADA story in detail but if both the UCI and USAC think the UCI should be in charge of this investigation then could they decide to ignore whatever USADA concludes at the end of its investigation.

I believe whatever the outcome LA will still be listed as the winner of races he won.

In general I'm finding that LA is ancient news to the public and the media.

If LA is ancient news, then why do companies still sponsor him? Why do corporations still pay to hear his speeches? Why does a cancer awareness foundation still rely on his name for donations?

Because, the liar has gotten away with it.

If you want clean sports, you have to expose the biggest cheater, even if he is retired. If you want clean sports, you have to show that cheating doesn't pay.

To me it doesn't matter whether LA keeps his titles. Barry Bonds has his home run records but he's a pariah. Pete Rose has his hits but he's an autograph-whoring joke. To deter present and future cheaters, LA's history of cheating the sport in a highly organized manner and thwarting the truth in brutal fashion all needs to be fully vetted.

 

[Oldman]

I have not followed USADA story in detail but if both the UCI and USAC think the UCI should be in charge of this investigation then could they decide to ignore whatever USADA concludes at the end of its investigation.

I believe whatever the outcome LA will still be listed as the winner of races he won.

In general I'm finding that LA is ancient news to the public and the media.

"I believe"...is where you choose to ignore some probable emerging truths; a common failure of "faith".
If what information many suspect will emerge in the USADA disclosures does see the light of day USAC and UCI are next up in the box. They won't be able to ignore being stripped of authority.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

They'll give the wins to the runners up; after all, it's not like they doped, is it?

Oh.

Hang on...

Andy

They should just vacate the titles. Simple solution, and it keeps the fanboys protestations that Armstrong was just doping like everyone else at bay. I am just glad the fanboys finally stopped pretending he was clean when everyone else was doping. Marginal gains.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Armstrong won all those TDF's ... just as Landis won his ... and most if not all were cheering when we saw it happen live. You can erase (some) computers ... erase(some) books and records..... you can take trophies and destroy them and play shuffle with them .... but you cannot erase the memories. ... And we think schizophrenics are a little "off" in their perspectives ....lol

I remember how cool it was to think dragons existed. But I was just a child then.

 

[Dallas_]

you can take trophies and destroy them and play shuffle with them .... but you cannot erase the memories. ...

Some memories are unforgetable ...

"And I should say, when we talk about doping and Lance, and this is the thing I will always remember,
maybe as much as anything, on the day that he made 'brilliant' ride up Sestriere in the '99 Tour,
the journalists in the press room, the majority of them, were laughing cynically.
They thought this was the greatest joke.
This guy, riding up this mountain, at this speed? With this apparent effortlessness"

http://velocitynation.com/content/interviews/2009/david-walsh
.

back on topic - Wonderboy is playing a losing game.

USADA will soon call checkmate.

Travis Tygart is a legend.
.

 

[ToreBear]

I have not followed USADA story in detail but if both the UCI and USAC think the UCI should be in charge of this investigation then could they decide to ignore whatever USADA concludes at the end of its investigation.

I believe whatever the outcome LA will still be listed as the winner of races he won.

In general I'm finding that LA is ancient news to the public and the media.

If they ignore the conclusions of the USADA process, they will be in breach of the WADA code.

The IOC will then be forced by it's own statutes to exclude cycling. Hopefuly the UCI is purged of corrouption, or displaced by a new organization before the IOC is forced to exclude cycling.

I don't see many national federations willing to follow the UCI down the drain.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.deia.com/2012/08/19/deportes/ciclismo/mi-relacion-con-lance-esta-por-encima-de-todo

Johan is out of touch with reality. Says his licenses is a UCI license with the Belgium Fed. USADA cannot do anything to him.

 

[Ney the Viking]

http://www.deia.com/2012/08/19/deportes/ciclismo/mi-relacion-con-lance-esta-por-encima-de-todo

Johan is out of touch with reality. Says his licenses is a UCI license with the Belgium Fed. USADA cannot do anything to him.

Guess he is so used to being protected and the media being clueless that he think himself invincible. By god I hope they bring him down hard