USADA - Armstrong

[noddy69]

Armstrong is done and that's a relief. If he does nothing he is guilty even if he denies it he wont get away with all the BS as he would not defend himself when a Judge said he has a case to answer. If he does testify he will get savaged hopefully and I don't know can he afford that so goodbye and finally good riddance.

What's gonna be really fun now is Pats response, cause if this goes to court Armstrong is the vindictive type. If anything was covered up it will probably come out and that could be a disaster for those in power.

Up to now its been a blatant attempt to try and stop the case.

I'm waiting for the absolute panic statements that are on the way.Let the games begin.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think he will do nothing. He will disregard any USADA sanction because he will claim the UCI is 'his' governing body. UCI will do the same. He will be totally non-responsive to USADA.
Then, he gets to stand behind this position with full support of McQuaid, holding hands in public like long lost lovers .

But that immediately calls into question an IOC blessed sport and the IOC's manufactured reputation as anti-doping. So far, the USADA arbitration pass the mass-media smell test with flying colours. Not hard to do this time thankfully.

Wonderboy can pretend, but Pat and Hein, *in theory* cannot. But there's something else being hidden by Team Wonderboy and Pat and Hein.

As has been mentioned previously, there's so much bending over backwards for Wonderboy at the UCI that Wonderboy has something on presumably Pat and Hein to the point they have threatened their IOC standing to keep it quiet.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I did note several cautions to USADA about following due process.

Not that I think they were necessary, but it is clear Sparks had a concern.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Still i don't see how USAD can strip him of his results? Only the Cas has the power to do so, but not a national doping agency, or am i wrong?

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Woo hoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TByqESZekxc

 

[Benotti69]

anybody know what RaceRadio was talking about re 10(i) ?

Race Radio
‏
@juanpelota How did 10(i) work out for you?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Will USAD go to the Cas and ask them to officially strip him of his results?

My understanding is no. USADA as do all sovereign WADA/IOC anti-doping agencies have this authority. CAS is for the likely appeal Wonderboy will attempt to soften the USADA sanctions.

Things are looking good right now. According to the UCI Overlord, there's an IOC 'invesitgation' into the UCI. What that entails since the IOC is accountable to no one remains an open issue. Since the is the IOC, money will probably assuage the IOC's concerns.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

anybody know what RaceRadio was talking about re 10(i) ?

Armstrong through his Juan Pelota account tweeted to RR to check out 10(i) of UCI Anti-Doping Rules:

Here is 10:

Anti-doping violations where no Sample collection is involved
10. The UCI has jurisdiction for and these Anti-Doping Rules shall apply to any anti-doping violation committed by a License-Holder where no Sample collection is involved and that is discovered:
(i) by the UCI, by one of its constituents or member Federations, by one of their officials, officers, staff members, members, License-Holders, or any other body or individual that is subject to the regulations of the UCI or one of its member Federations; or
(ii) by a body or individual that is not an Anti-Doping Organization.

 

[Bavarianrider]

My understanding is no. USADA as do all sovereign WADA/IOC anti-doping agencies have this authority. CAS is for the likely appeal Wonderboy will attempt to soften the USADA sanctions.

Things are looking good right now. According to the UCI Overlord, there's an IOC 'invesitgation' into the UCI. What that entails since the IOC is accountable to no one remains an open issue. Since the is the IOC, money will probably assuage the IOC's concerns.

So in other words:
Jan Ullrich could be a 4 time Tour de France winner by end of next week
**** just got real

 

[spalco]

I'm a bit surprised there isn't more jubilation here. I'm having a good jubilate

I particularly liked this bit:

Got a link to the verdict?

 

[Maxiton]

But that immediately calls into question an IOC blessed sport and the IOC's manufactured reputation as anti-doping. So far, the USADA arbitration pass the mass-media smell test with flying colours. Not hard to do this time thankfully.

Wonderboy can pretend, but Pat and Hein, *in theory* cannot. But there's something else being hidden by Team Wonderboy and Pat and Hein.

As has been mentioned previously, there's so much bending over backwards for Wonderboy at the UCI that Wonderboy has something on presumably Pat and Hein to the point they have threatened their IOC standing to keep it quiet.

This. Exactly this. And today we are one step closer to finding out what it is.

Armstrong is trapped in a room full of gasoline fumes. He has a lighter in his hand. Pat, Hein, and the UCI are in there with him, frantically cooperating in the effort to keep him from striking the spark. But it doesn't matter how high they go when he says jump, in the end the only thing that will prevent the explosion is LA walking away scott free. Otherwise, when he goes he's taking them all with him, guaranteed. No way he goes alone. Not if he doesn't have to. He's going to want someone to pay and they will be closest at hand.

 

[Muriel]

I did note several cautions to USADA about following due process.

Not that I think they were necessary, but it is clear Sparks had a concern.

Indeed. I think the result was the right one, and pretty emphatic too, but it's not as if the USADA didn't take some hits. The charging letter particularly, described as "woefully inadequate" and of "serious constitutional concern". The process could have been enjoined for that alone. The USADA got by but that I reckon that was a rap over the knuckles.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong through his Juan Pelota account tweeted to RR to check out 10(i) of UCI Anti-Doping Rules:

Here is 10:

Thankyou.

.

 

[thehog]

So in other words:
Jan Ullrich could be a 4 time Tour de France winner by end of next week
**** just got real

....and Sastre will have won more victory than Armstrong!

 

[TheEnoculator]

This. Exactly this. And today we are one step closer to finding out what it is.

Armstrong is trapped in a room full of gasoline fumes. He has a lighter in his hand. Pat, Hein, and the UCI are in there with him, frantically cooperating in the effort to keep him from striking the spark. But it doesn't matter how high they go when he says jump, in the end the only thing that will prevent the explosion is LA walking away scott free. Otherwise, when he goes he's taking them all with him, guaranteed. No way he goes alone. Not if he doesn't have to. He's going to want someone to pay and they will be closest at hand.

I'm impatiently awaiting for the biggest scandal in sporting history. I say drop the lighter and burn them all!!

 

[Benotti69]

So in other words:
Jan Ullrich could be a 4 time Tour de France winner by end of next week
**** just got real

I kind of doubt Ullrich will be that jubliant. That was a very dark period in cyclings history and Ullrich was part of it as much as others.

 

[thehog]

anybody know what RaceRadio was talking about re 10(i) ?

RaceRadio
@juanpelota How did 10(i) work out for you? Don't hit to hard tonight, don't want a repeat of the other night in Telluride


- Haha! Gold!

 

[DirtyWorks]

So in other words:
Jan Ullrich could be a 4 time Tour de France winner by end of next week
**** just got real

Well, out here in the cheap seats we know that this will very likely go to CAS arbitration which will substantially delay a final disposition. We *don't* know how the ASO will handle it.

The little extra information I found suggests the judge is keeping USADA on a very short leash and mentioning ample appeal opportunities for Wonderboy anyway. http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/national/Judge-dismisses-Armstrongs-case-against-USADA_67961418

There are probably more appeals unless the Wonderboy Defense Fund runs dry.

Post-CAS is when the really expensive civil litigation begins for Team Wonderboy. Ideally, all of Tailwind is dragged in sooner rather than later.

 

[Microchip]

I'd like to know if there are going to be any programmes about this on 60 Minutes, 20/20, ESPN? They must be waiting in the wings for a good one!

 

[PedalPusher]

Ok I'm back! NOW WHAT DID I SAY? I predicted his "due process" claim lacked merit and the court would decline to grant relief based on jurisdiction. Sorry. I just couldn't keep going during all the speculation/argument daily in this thread.

All of this arguing back and forth over minutia didn't matter like I said. Did he have a due process claim? NOPE. Did the court have jurisdiction to grant relief? NOPE. And that's where I said the case would be decided. I love a good debate, but their was nothing to go on about until the judge ruled, it was chaff from Armstrong's team to obfuscate the core issues.

 

[Jeremiah]

Le sigh. Plenty of precedent to just * the entries and be done with it. Noone here or in the real world cares who ends up with "jerseys", USADA are simply trying to make sure it's safe for the kids.

Agreed, but unfortunately a distinct minority are living in "the real world."

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

A great day for clean cycling and fairness in sports.

Here's what I expect next:

• Armstrong will go to USAC and try to get them to intervene. This will eventually fail. USAC has a lot of a** to cover, but they'll cut him before themselves.

• Armstrong's attorneys will appeal to the US Court of Appeals. They will not grant an emergency injunction, USADA's arbitration will move forward, and the Court of Appeals will ultimate reject Armstrong.

• USADA will not allow a delay from Armstrong for more than a few days, maybe none.

There is I think a 40% chance he'll just allow them to strip him of his wins and label him a doper, and try to take his case to the court of public opinion, smearing USADA as best as possible. Then hope the documents are forever sealed.

Presuming he accepts arbitration, he has a huge uphill battle. When Hincapie, Vaughters, Levi, DZ and other credible names start saying "sorry, but we all doped, including Lance" the damage will be irreparable as I see it. It will be all over the news, and ugly.

 

[Benotti69]

Well, out here in the cheap seats we know that this will very likely go to CAS arbitration which will substantially delay a final disposition. We *don't* know how the ASO will handle it.

The little extra information I found suggests the judge is keeping USADA on a very short leash and mentioning ample appeal opportunities for Wonderboy anyway. http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/national/Judge-dismisses-Armstrongs-case-against-USADA_67961418

There are probably more appeals unless the Wonderboy Defense Fund runs dry.

Post-CAS is when the really expensive civil litigation begins for Team Wonderboy. Ideally, all of Tailwind is dragged in sooner rather than later.

I suggest ASO will handle it as they have always done. Ignore it. Riis still does not have an asterisk (*) beside his name on their website.

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

I'm impatiently awaiting for the biggest scandal in sporting history. I say drop the lighter and burn them all!!

The only drug scandal equal in its ambition, scale, lawlessness and forced secrecy is the GDR's Olympic drug machine of the 1970s and 1980s.

 

[Square-pedaller]

Got a link to the verdict?

RR posted it upthread. (The 'it' is a link if it's not obvious.)