USADA - Armstrong

[TheEnoculator]

Wait a minute. If Bruyneel goes to arbitration, which he is, the evidence will still be public anyway because the evidence against Bruyneel is same as the ones against LA, right?

So I guess I'd still see Hincapie testify. He's so important to this case.

 

[MacRoadie]

B/C i was hoping for someone telling me i am wrong. But since it´s not happening, i guess i am right again. That´s very very sad.

Ok, you are wrong.

Just because Lance says he won't arbitrate, doesn't mean USADA is taking their toys and goin home. I would expect a sanctioning letter in the very near future: a letter in which, by USADA and WADA protocol, can include as much evidence as possible.

Tim Herman has stated that Armstrong will sue if USADA releases any information, which will then open up discovery and really open the flood gates. Of course, the LAST thing team Dopestrong wants is Armstrong under oath in a witness chair in a courtroom.

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

"The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today - finished with this nonsense."

and now I will have more time for blow, hookers and michelob ultra!

Of course I am taking poetic license and reading between the lines (no pun intended)

 

[86TDFWinner]

You seriously think Greg Lemond wasnt doped to the gills as well? Now Lance and Greg can both talk on equal terms. Lemond was and always will be a tool.

PLEASE POST YOUR.SOURCE.CONFIRMING LEMOND DID.INFACT "DOPE"? IT MUST BE.A CREDIBLE.SOURCE TOO, NOT.YOUR NEIGHBOR(birds.chirp).

 

[The Hitch]

WOW- just watched my local News and is Official:

Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his seven TDF Titles!!!!!!!!

No he has not yet been stripped. The clinic has made this mistake of celebrating a lance defeat before it happened, too many times before. Until he has actually been stripped, best not celebrate.

 

[Kender]

WOW- just watched my local News and is Official:

Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his seven TDF Titles!!!!!!!!

link? he hasn't been sanctioned yet so he can't be stripped already

USADA Sanctions List

 

[KayLow]

Lance is using a very familiar strategy. Ryan Braun did the same thing when he was caught red-handed for doping. In public, he is pressing his complete and total innocence. When disputing the charges in official fora, however, he is advancing strictly procedural and technical arguments. If the latter procedural and technical arguments prove successful and he is able to keep his Tour de France victories, which is still possible at this point given the uncertainties regarding the UCI, he will claim to have been vindicated. This settles nothing. We already know the guy doped. No one who does not already accept this will change his mind.

 

[Puckfiend]

so how long before we hear from USADA and UCI?

It will be awhile.....Fat Pat is passed out with his face in a plate of nachos at the local pub.

 

[JeffreyPerry]

this is not a lemond doping thread

You sir, are correct. I shall forever be grateful to you for pointing this out. I shall never forget this moment. Lighten up. It's a good day.

/slaps wrist

 

[erader]

 

[PosterBill]

Is Johan guranteed set for Arbitration? I have to bet that Johan will do whatever Lance wants him to do and he will not enter arbitration and allow the evidence to leak out.

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Just because Lance says he won't arbitrate, doesn't mean USADA is taking their toys and goin home. I would expect a sanctioning letter in the very near future: a letter in which, by USADA and WADA protocol, can include as much evidence as possible.

Tim Herman has stated that Armstrong will sue if USADA releases any information, which will then open up discovery and really open the flood gates. Of course, the LAST thing team Dopestrong wants is Armstrong under oath in a witness chair in a courtroom.

+1

Drive the stake in, Travis!

 

[mwbyrd]

HA Just read this: Unless Mr. Tygart received a pay cut last year, he’s been paid a total of over $1.2 million in compensation and $100,000 in bonuses over the past four years. The spokesperson at the USADA did respond to my e-mail, but she declined to comment whether Tygart’s bonuses were tied to finding a certain number of athletes or a particularly high profile athlete guilty of doping.

Finally, there’s the office of National Drug Control Policy. This is the branch of the Federal government that funds the USADA $10 million a year of federal tax dollars to operate. According to legal counsel for the NDCP office, the $10 million grant is an “unsupervised non-competitive” grant. So, Tygart and staff are guaranteed $10 million a year in funding from the Federal government, but must answer to no one.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/spor...rosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case

 

[montel]

Instead, Armstrong attorney Tim Herman fired a letter off to USADA Thursday that suggested Armstrong would sue if USADA moves to sanction him. ”You are on notice that if USADA makes any public statement claiming, without jurisdiction, to sanction Mr. Armstrong, or to falsely characterize Mr. Armstrong’s reasons for not requesting an arbitration as anything other than a recognition of UCI jurisdiction and authority, USADA and anyone involved in the making of the statement will be liable,” Herman wrote

Link

Hollow threats?

 

[Fatclimber]

Well, that's a bit embarrassing. Anyone know where a guy can get seven pieces of art in a hurry?

Lol! Yeah, there's some really nice drawings in the Pelotoons thread he could print off.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

OK, that gives a little hope to me.

Ok, you are wrong.

Just because Lance says he won't arbitrate, doesn't mean USADA is taking their toys and goin home. I would expect a sanctioning letter in the very near future: a letter in which, by USADA and WADA protocol, can include as much evidence as possible.

Tim Herman has stated that Armstrong will sue if USADA releases any information, which will then open up discovery and really open the flood gates. Of course, the LAST thing team Dopestrong wants is Armstrong under oath in a witness chair in a courtroom.

 

[Turner29]

Instead, Armstrong attorney Tim Herman fired a letter off to USADA Thursday that suggested Armstrong would sue if USADA moves to sanction him. ”You are on notice that if USADA makes any public statement claiming, without jurisdiction, to sanction Mr. Armstrong, or to falsely characterize Mr. Armstrong’s reasons for not requesting an arbitration as anything other than a recognition of UCI jurisdiction and authority, USADA and anyone involved in the making of the statement will be liable,” Herman wrote

Link

Hollow threats?

Absolutely.

 

[Epicycle]

Is Johan guranteed set for Arbitration? I have to bet that Johan will do whatever Lance wants him to do and he will not enter arbitration and allow the evidence to leak out.

I don't know. Johan is in a much different position, his livelihood depends on being able to actively work in cycling. Plus his wife seems like she's high maintenance so he's got to keep those euros flowing.

And even if McQuaid finds a way to disregard USADA's decision for now, that could always change. A lifetime ban is a scary thought for Johan.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Our local news blurb on this just included a statement by Travis Tygart saying that "they do have the capacity to strip him of titles and they WILL".

 

[Turner29]

This is the best weasel story since Sen. Larry Craig was arrested for soliciting sex in a men's room in Union Station!

 

[BYOP88]

Our local news blurb on this just included a statement by Travis Tygart saying that "they do have the capacity to strip him of titles and they WILL".

Excellent, hope it's done soon.

 

[PosterBill]

I don't know. Johan is in a much different position, his livelihood depends on being able to actively work in cycling. Plus his wife seems like she's high maintenance so he's got to keep those euros flowing.

And even if McQuaid finds a way to disregard USADA's decision for now, that could always change. A lifetime ban is a scary thought for Johan.

Look, Johan is has no more a chance in arbitration as Lance. The reason Lance won't enter arbitration is that he had NOTHING to gain from doing it. It's the same deal with Johan

 

[hrotha]

I don't know. Johan is in a much different position, his livelihood depends on being able to actively work in cycling. Plus his wife seems like she's high maintenance so he's got to keep those euros flowing.

And even if McQuaid finds a way to disregard USADA's decision for now, that could always change. A lifetime ban is a scary thought for Johan.

Bruyneel recently said he's best buddies with Armstrong first and foremost, and that he isn't afraid of this case hurting his career because his career is set. Furthermore, why would he go to arbitration knowing he would lose? I think he'll end up doing whatever Armstrong thinks is best. He probably requested the arbitration just to keep that door open just in case and as a possible way to gather intelligence.

 

[Kender]

Look, Johan is has no more a chance in arbitration as Lance. The reason Lance won't enter arbitration is that he had NOTHING to gain from doing it. It's the same deal with Johan

lance has nothng to gain by going to arbitration
johan has nothing to lose by going to arbitration

big difference.

 

[Turner29]

"Armstrong says USADA doesn't have the authority to vacate his Tour titles. However, Tygart told The Associated Press that USADA can do it.
Tygart called the Armstrong case a "heartbreaking" example of a win-at-all costs approach to sports."

I like how Tygart stays above mud slinging...