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ploglet said:
You seriously think Greg Lemond wasnt doped to the gills as well? Now Lance and Greg can both talk on equal terms. Lemond was and always will be a tool.
Toooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
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OldManThyme said:
Omerta. Renshaw quoted as riding training rides within the past few months with lance, 1-to-1. Young riders looking up to him still, some quoted a few weeks ago as of having said they think dredging all this up is just tarnishing the sport further...[G. Thomas]... so don't want the problem solved (if they think or know of one existing), they just want to get on with what they're doing by the sounds of things. But then are they doing this out of self preservation?? Some of them? Or ignormance? Or because, like JV, they think progess has already started?
from everything i've seen and read, the riders do seem to genuinely believe armstrong is not a fraud and only did what other riders were doing at the time. it will be interesting to see who, if anybody turns against him - not just from the peloton now, but his team mates from the era who gave evidence against him. will they continue to back him as the rightful winner?
 
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&#197 said:
from everything i've seen and read, the riders do seem to genuinely believe armstrong is not a fraud and only did what other riders were doing at the time. it will be interesting to see who, if anybody turns against him - not just from the peloton now, but his team mates from the era who gave evidence against him. will they continue to back him as the rightful winner?
Have you been smoking a little yourself?

Please name some riders who have come out in public support of Lance Armstrong during this ordeal.
 
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Racelap said:
@juanpelota Congrats your 4 Tour wins, Jan!
in the words of the college football analyst Lee Corso...
"not so fast my friend!"
Pretty sure he was a doper too lol. were gonna have to back to like 20th place for some of these.
 
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ploglet said:
You seriously think Greg Lemond wasnt doped to the gills as well? Now Lance and Greg can both talk on equal terms. Lemond was and always will be a tool.
To be fair, Greg was pre-EPO era in cycling. Unless you believe he had access to EPO or other PEDS before the rest of the peloton, it's hard to think he had an unfair advantage.

LeMond might be an ***, but he was an incredibly talented, gifted, hardworking ***.
 
The Slowtwitch faithful are not happy.


"So much hate in this thread. Damn, who ****ing cares about whether lance armstrong doped or not and who cares if his competitors doped? I don't blame him for giving up the fight. It's all bull**** anyway."
 

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&#197 said:
from everything i've seen and read,
What have you seen and read - why not share it, some people need a laugh.

&#197 said:
the riders do seem to genuinely believe armstrong is not a fraud and only did what other riders were doing at the time. it will be interesting to see who, if anybody turns against him - not just from the peloton now, but his team mates from the era who gave evidence against him. will they continue to back him as the rightful winner?
Really - how many other riders paid off the UCI?

Its over. Accept it, move on.
 
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ploglet said:
You seriously think Greg Lemond wasnt doped to the gills as well? Now Lance and Greg can both talk on equal terms. Lemond was and always will be a tool.
LMFAO! He really is a tool isn't he????:D
 
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JeffreyPerry said:
in the words of the college football analyst Lee Corso...
"not so fast my friend!"
Pretty sure he was a doper too lol. were gonna have to back to like 20th place for some of these.
20th? Take a look at 2001 and 2002. You may as well rename "Lanterne Rouge", "maillot Jaune"
 
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Turner29 said:
Have you been smoking a little yourself?

Please name some riders who have come out in public support of Lance Armstrong during this ordeal.
they are still friends with him and even train with him, like renshaw. we already know the views of the greats like eddie merckx. until they actually say they don't believe he is the rightful winner, you have to presume they do. i agree it will be interesting to see what happens next. it could be very divisive for the sport where one section decides to go against him.
 
The statement from Lance, and the letter to Bill Bockman are completely contradictory.

Lance says 'I am too tired to fight"

His lawyers say "we arent going to arbitration - but you dont have the jurisdiction to sanction him"

Given the assertion of jurisdiction and authority by the Union Internationale Cycliste ("UCI"), and its mandate that no one associated with UCI or USA Cycling should participate in such an arbitration, which was confirmed by USA Cycling, Mr. Armstrong cannot proceed into the arbitration. For that reason and based on the reservations articulated by Judge Sparks, it would appear that the appropriate next step for USADA would be to: a) follow the governing rules and submit the information and evidence to UCI for an independent review and decision; or b) take the jurisdictional dispute (which puts Mr. Armstrong in the middle) to the appropriate forum to resolve the issue, the Court for Arbitration for Sport (CAS).
They are not accepting the bans. Not by a long shot.
 
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eleven said:
To be fair, Greg was pre-EPO era in cycling. Unless you believe he had access to EPO or other PEDS before the rest of the peloton, it's hard to think he had an unfair advantage.

LeMond might be an ***, but he was an incredibly talented, gifted, hardworking ***.
There was dope before EPO...just because he wasn't around for EPO doesn't mean he was clean.
 
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eleven said:
To be fair, Greg was pre-EPO era in cycling. Unless you believe he had access to EPO or other PEDS before the rest of the peloton, it's hard to think he had an unfair advantage.

LeMond might be an ***, but he was an incredibly talented, gifted, hardworking ***.
Greg did whatever everyone else did at that time. Also, since EPO was available in 1989, this does not exclude Lemond.
 
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I don´t wanna disturb the party, but wasn´t it a pyrrhic victory?

The UCI will not strip him of his titles.
The evidence will not be aired.

So what did we gain?? :confused:
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
What have you seen and read - why not share it, some people need a laugh.


Really - how many other riders paid off the UCI?

Its over. Accept it, move on.
most of the evidence has been out there for years yet people in the sport have not "moved on" from their view that armstrong won those tours. everybody will look at the contest and have their own opinion. i can't see cyclings establishment moving against armstrong. can you?
 
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