USADA will investigate

[thehog]

...along with George?

GH didn't do the GJ walk. He swivelled in another way to get his version of events on paper. Non-sealed.

 

[Race Radio]

They have immunity for the information they provided.

Only if they co-operate with USADA. If they do not they could face a sanction. Some have a lot to lose and will get hit by shrapnel. Armstrong and his team of paid liars have made it clear if he goes down he will take as many as possible with him. He does not seem to realize the sport has moved on. It will be fine. The Tri Geeks might be in a spot of bother though.

I still expect some form of managed admission.

 

[Cal_Joe]

They have immunity for the information they provided.

Ah, that may be so. But you have posted:

Looks like USADA are about to pull the trigger on the Lance for doping.

And you have been asked to provide a source. You have evidently declined.

No immunity for hoggy.

Inquiring minds would absolutely love it if you provided any links or further info.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Only if they co-operate with USADA. If they do not they could face a sanction. Some have a lot to lose and will get hit by shrapnel. Armstrong and his team of paid liars have made it clear if he goes down he will take as many as possible with him. He does not seem to realize the sport has moved on. It will be fine. The Tri Geeks might be in a spot of bother though.

I still expect some form of managed admission.

It seems like for Lance, having built his entire empire on the premise of his super-natural 'cleanliness' and integrity, even this would be an amazing result.

I can't imagine how his pricey attorneys would work this out for him.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Ah, that may be so. But you have posted:



And you have been asked to provide a source. You have evidently declined.

No immunity for hoggy.

Inquiring minds would absolutely love it if you provided any links or further info.

Great post, Cal_Joe.

I too am wondering about the veracity of the Hogedamus post. I cannot decide between the following scenarios:

1) USADA have ramped up things regarding LA. Hogedamus has many sources in USADA and his post should not be questioned by mere mortals.

2) Hogedamus is relying on the sad old tactic of reading anonymous tweets and, since they agree with his wish list, posts without attribution, avoiding embarrassing himself about the questionable source.

3) Hogedamus' predictions have always been true in the past (let's ignore the extradition of LA from France). Hogedamus will post about his sources, in great detail, so you should just STFU about hoggy. I think his Dr. Phil impersonations are the best thing that ever happened to the Clinic - where else can you find anyone that can psychoanalyze riders and posters without ever meeting them? And he does it for free!!

 

[Ferminal]

Before a secret grand jury proceeding, though.

I see. I was under the impression he provided "information" to USADA to save his skin, and that's why he left the Shack.

But if it was the GJ, what was he supposed to do?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Great post, Cal_Joe.

I too am wondering about the veracity of the Hogedamus post. I cannot decide between the following scenarios:

1) USADA have ramped up things regarding LA. Hogedamus has many sources in USADA and his post should not be questioned by mere mortals.

2) Hogedamus is relying on the sad old tactic of reading anonymous tweets and, since they agree with his wish list, posts without attribution, avoiding embarrassing himself about the questionable source.

3) Hogedamus' predictions have always been true in the past (let's ignore the extradition of LA from France). Hogedamus will post about his sources, in great detail, so you should just STFU about hoggy. I think his Dr. Phil impersonations are the best thing that ever happened to the Clinic - where else can you find anyone that can psychoanalyze riders and posters without ever meeting them? And he does it for free!!

 

[Cal_Joe]

Anything you would like to comment on regarding the Hogedamus predictions and sources would be most beneficial.

Responding with the "Troll" card is a bit weak.

Do you have any info to add on the Hogedamus predictions? Or do you think they should not be questioned?

Hogedamus can end this by responding to the posts asking for clarification of his sources. You do not have to fill in for him.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yawn. If you're a troll and you know it clap your hands.

 

[BroDeal]

I guess this is where we find out that whether the faith that people have in Vaughters and crew, that they were secretly providing information to the USADA and other authorities, will turn out to be any more substantial than Vaughters' cowardly, backpedalling affidavit in the SCA arbitration.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It seems like for Lance, having built his entire empire on the premise of his super-natural 'cleanliness' and integrity, even this would be an amazing result.

I can't imagine how his pricey attorneys would work this out for him.

Do you believe in miracles?

Dust off Oprah's set and bring the old girl back for this one. "I Wonderboy doped. But so did everyone else. I did it to make everyone aware of cancer and that's all I have to say." Of course, it wouldn't be Wonderboy without a couple of insults about the 'haters.'

USADA knows they can't out-lawyer the guy. A managed apology in exchange for sealed records.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Lance was clearly doped, and seems like a bit of a tool, but seriously, this Hog post has just appeared out of the ether. If asking for a source is trolling, science must be conducted under bridges.

 

[The Hitch]

Grea

3) Hogedamus' predictions have always been true in the past (let's ignore the extradition of LA from France). !!

Lol wut. Who invented that and did anyone believe it ?

 

[The Hitch]

Lance was clearly doped, and seems like a bit of a tool, but seriously, this Hog post has just appeared out of the ether. If asking for a source is trolling, science must be conducted under bridges.

Your posts have always been entertaining as unlike most posters who seek confrontation you are quite good at sticking it to people and have a very good grasp of the language so they can be fun to read.

Nevertheless i must say, your posting recently has been first rate. as the above, brief, to the point and very sweet.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I guess this is where we find out that whether the faith that people have in Vaughters and crew, that they were secretly providing information to the USADA and other authorities, will turn out to be any more substantial than Vaughters' cowardly, backpedalling affidavit in the SCA arbitration.

Yep. I'm guessing that IF the Feds hand over any info and If USADA investigates, those who cooperated and talked to the Feds outside the grand jury room have some difficulties ahead.

 

[Digger]

I guess this is where we find out that whether the faith that people have in Vaughters and crew, that they were secretly providing information to the USADA and other authorities, will turn out to be any more substantial than Vaughters' cowardly, backpedalling affidavit in the SCA arbitration.

To be fair to JV, and i continue to have issues with him, his affidavit is actually consistent with what Floyd said on this issue. There actually wasn't truth in it. It just seems like two guys shooting the sh** with a story that had been recycled and altered.

As I say there was a time I would have completely agreed with you on this issue, but when I heard there was actually no truth in the story, I changed my opinion.

On a broader sense if Lance finds out what certain people have said, then there will be repercussions for those people. He controls the lot.

 

[ChrisE]

Yep. I'm guessing that IF the Feds hand over any info and If USADA investigates, those who cooperated and talked to the Feds outside the grand jury room have some difficulties ahead.

Rumor is that GH talked outside of the GJ. I really don't understand why somebody would do such a thing.

 

[Race Radio]

Do you have any info to add on the Hogedamus predictions? Or do you think they should not be questioned?

That USADA is building a case against Lance has been well reported for a while. At this point the only thing holding it back is not lack of evidence, they have plenty of that. The larger concern is insuring they are insulated from the Lance woodchipper

Armstrong has no problem playing dirty.

 

[thehog]

I just hope Joe Papp doesn't get smeared. The thing we want is a Papp smear.

 

[Merckx index]

That USADA is building a case against Lance has been well reported for a while.

Oh, come on. Everyone knows that, it’s in the title of the thread. But yesterday, Hog posted this:

Looks like USADA are about to pull the trigger on the Lance for doping.

I think most people would interpret that as there being some more recent development, indicating that an announcement of evidence against LA will be made very soon. If that wasn’t what Hog meant, then he was just inanely repeating what anyone who followed the thread already knows. It would be like someone posting on the Contador CAS thread, say last December, it looks like the decision is about to be announced, then when asked for a link, replying, well, we know that the decision is coming sometime in January. If Hog wanted to bump the thread up, he could do that without implying he knew of some recent development.

I asked Hog yesterday to provide a link and he ignored the query, even while responding to other aspects of my post. Then another poster today asked for a link, and someone actually had the gall to call him a troll for that.

I understand that we all get addicted to these forums to some degree, so that we feel a need to be active on them even when there is no recent news to discuss. But that doesn't justify implying that there is news just to get a discussion going. Frankly, that strikes me as a lot more like trolling than simply asking for a link in response to such a post.

 

[thehog]

Oh, come on. Everyone knows that, it’s in the title of the thread. But yesterday, Hog posted this:



I think most people would interpret that as there being some more recent development, indicating that an announcement of evidence against LA will be made very soon. If that wasn’t what Hog meant, then he was just inanely repeating what anyone who followed the thread already knows. It would be like someone posting on the Contador CAS thread, say last December, it looks like the decision is about to be announced, then when asked for a link, replying, well, we know that the decision is coming sometime in January. If Hog wanted to bump the thread up, he could do that without implying he knew of some recent development.

I asked Hog yesterday to provide a link and he ignored the query, even while responding to other aspects of my post. Then another poster today asked for a link, and someone actually had the gall to call him a troll for that.

I understand that we all get addicted to these forums to some degree, so that we feel a need to be active on them even when there is no recent news to discuss. But that doesn't justify implying that there is news just to get a discussion going. Frankly, that strikes me as a lot more like trolling than simply asking for a link in response to such a post.

Do be so insolent. I deliberately ignored your request because whilst I like your posts your headmaster like tone was demeaning.

Do you think if there was a link to this that it would be all over news already? Do you think I'm the only one who knows of such a link and no one else has found it.

No theres no link. What does that mean? Not everything is released to the Internet as a press statement.

Are you mindless enough to believe that media reporting comes from links? That the NY Times reports from links? Seriously?

We're discussing the extremities that when USADA imminently begin proceedings against Armstrong what will nature and dynamics of the case will be.

If a show of hands says we want links before anythink is dicussed then close down the thread and we can get back to the Lance being Lance thread.

But please don't be so selfish to expect everything in this world revolves around press statements to the Internet.

It doesn't work that way.

 

[Merckx index]

Do be so insolent. I deliberately ignored your request because whilst I like your posts your headmaster like tone was demeaning.

If my tone was headmaster-like, that certainly applied to my entire response to you. Yet you selectively responded to some of it, but pointedly not to my question about a link. So even if you found my post demeaning, that doesn’t account for your lack of response.

Do you think if there was a link to this that it would be all over news already? Do you think I'm the only one who knows of such a link and no one else has found it.

Quite possibly, yes. Links are often posted here before they hit the main news. Sometimes news is published in media I have no access to.

No theres no link. What does that mean? Not everything is released to the Internet as a press statement.

If you will go back to my original post, I suggested this as an alternative (“can’t reveal my sources”) but you couldn’t at that time verify that this was the case. Given that I offered this as an alternative possibility, the rest of your post chastising me for thinking everything has a link is obviously off target. A ten letter word beginning with h and ending with r comes to mind.

 

[thehog]

If my tone was headmaster-like, that certainly applied to my entire response to you. Yet you selectively responded to some of it, but pointedly not to my question about a link. So even if you found my post demeaning, that doesn’t account for your lack of response.



Quite possibly, yes. Links are often posted here before they hit the main news. Sometimes news is published in media I have no access to.



If you will go back to my original post, I suggested this as an alternative (“can’t reveal my sources”) but you couldn’t at that time verify that this was the case. Given that I offered this as an alternative possibility, the rest of your post chastising me for thinking everything has a link is obviously off target. A ten letter word beginning with h and ending with r comes to mind.

Cheers. Appreciate the feedback.

I'm enjoying what you're writing on the EpO thread. It's valuable insight. I find the science & math interesting. (not many links though! )

I'll make sure my future postings are a little more detailed in respects to where information originates from.

Apologies if I caused offense.

 

[thehog]

Rumor is that GH talked outside of the GJ. I really don't understand why somebody would do such a thing.

My understanding is they do it so they don't get subpoenaed to speak in front of a GJ. Voluntary offering of testimony.