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webvan said:
A few things I don't get :
- why does Hincapie only lose results from 2004 to 2006 and Levi starting in 1999, no SOL for him?

I've been wondering also. Perhaps we should remember that Levi got caught doping before. Sanction: 3 month ban (when he was young, that was normal). It was a kind of elaborate repeat offence if you will. Why someone would stop doping by the time the stage race podiums start coming, I'll be darned...
Perhaps USADA needed to walk a line between having Levi on board and having to make a whole case out of him.
 
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Robert21 said:
It seems that a number of key names appear to be missing from the list of affidavits. No Stephanie McIlvain, no Cheryl Crow, no Kristin Armstrong, and I am sure that there are others.

Whilst their testimony is hardly necessary, given the weight of the evidence, I was expecting them to contribute to the process of 'closure'.

It seems that it is not only Armstrong who is dedicated to maintaining the lies, or have I missed something?

Wise PR move on USADA's part. Would look like overkill to include WAGS.

Whoever writes the definitive book on this greatest of sports scandals -- Daniel Coyle is my choice -- can include the WAGS. Tygart was smart to leave it out.
 
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Race Radio said:
Golly, the file I posted to scribid has over 80,000 views.

Guess there are more then the clinic 12

I read it, the whole thing. Can I be #13, the unwilling participant? It would be a fitting number. :cool:

Yeah, he is ****ed though I wait to see what the UCI will do. That will be the funny part.

I still maintain, even to this day, that he would have gotten off if it went to trial. Read some of the comment sections of ESPN, etc. That is the jury pool. It will be interesting if somebody takes it up and writes and editorial questioning why it was dropped in a major newspaper. Maybe Reilly lol. :rolleyes:

I wonder what the deal is with Horner, and how did Livingston escape questioning, especially if he was questioned in the GJ, or was he?

My boy Lance really ****ed up by not giving FL a job. Also, by wiring money that can be traced and sending emails and texts. Bad LA!
 
Cloxxki said:
I've been wondering also. Perhaps we should remember that Levi got caught doping before. Sanction: 3 month ban (when he was young, that was normal). It was a kind of elaborate repeat offense if you will. Why someone would stop doping by the time the stage race podiums start coming, I'll be darned...
Perhaps USADA needed to walk a line between having Levi on board and having to make a whole case out of him.
A repeat offender? That would make sense vs GH, sort of...what doesn't as you say is why he would have cleaned up in 2008 while still riding for Johan, maybe because he was no longer the #1 leader as he was for the 2007 TDF so wasn't pushed by Johan...and he still nearly beats Bertie in the Vuelta, hum...? Surely USADA would have asked him about that since Hincapie does state why he stopped doping in 2006.

Still puzzled by that redacting of some names and not others. I could understand if they had redacted all the names of the people not accused or participating in the USADA investigation, but Kevin Livingston isn't and his name is not redacted out.
 
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Page Mill Masochist said:
Wise PR move on USADA's part. Would look like overkill to include WAGS.

Whoever writes the definitive book on this greatest of sports scandals -- Daniel Coyle is my choice -- can include the WAGS. Tygart was smart to leave it out.

Talking to USADA is voluntary. USADA doesn't have the power of the subpoena.
 
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webvan said:
A few things I don't get :
- why are some names redacted and not others, Kevin Livingston isn't but Bobby Julich (most likely Rider-4) is?

It's getting late, but I can guess it's to do with lack of corroboration. Hincapie is the only one who mentions Rider 4 with relation to EPO. JV mentions Julich, but not with reference to drugs. Considering the amount of individual redaction IDs, it's far too late for me to combine all the references but the report goes to make sure it says a certain number of people stated that Lance took drugs during a certain period. You could probably get a few corroborating for Kevin Livingston, but not for Rider 4.
 
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ChrisE said:
I still maintain, even to this day, that he would have gotten off if it went to trial. Read some of the comment sections of ESPN, etc. That is the jury pool. It will be interesting if somebody takes it up and writes and editorial questioning why it was dropped in a major newspaper. Maybe Reilly lol. :rolleyes:

I completely agree, which is why I maintain to this day that the Federal DA did not close the LA grand jury investigation due to lack of evidence, rather, knowing that a jury conviction would be difficult to obtain, released to the USADA overwhelming evidence against LA.
 
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Turner29 said:
I completely agree, which is why I maintain to this day that the Federal DA did not close the LA grand jury investigation due to lack of evidence, rather, knowing that a jury conviction would be difficult to obtain, released to the USADA overwhelming evidence against LA.

I think you are reading too much into this. Birotte did what he thought was the right thing politically or was pushed somehow to do so. If your hypothesis is correct the way he executed the closing of the investigation (with 15 min notice to Novitzky and team, and on the eve of Grand Final) seems a bit heavyhanded and unnecessary.

Also, USADA never received the FedDA data...

Let's see if they will re-open though based on this sequence of events, ie USADA, then UCI, then FedDA.
 
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Doofus said:
Levi's deposition -- "Other 7." And his personal coach who supplied him with EPO while at Saturn was...?

"Other-7" sounds an awful lot like Rick Crawford--recommending that clients buy the blood-spinner was something that came out in his testy email exchange with Decanio.

How about Levi's "Other-8," the doctor at Rabobank who provided EPO? Geert Leinders? Did Brailsford get advance notice of what was about to hit the fan and fired him--errr, declined to renew his contract--just in the nick of time?
 
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Legal opinion required.

If the Novitzky case had not been there, would USADA have received the witness statements as they did? Ie. would the witnesses have felt sufficiently compelled to testify the way they did for USADA?
 
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Zam_Olyas said:
Lance didn't contest because it was unfair the cards where stacked agaisnt him and it was clear he was going to lose.

usada wants people to believe that lance was doping.

something about no due process.

LOL. How much does he pay you?
 
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Zweistein said:
LOL. How much does he pay you?

He was quoting random rubbish from one of Lance's lawyers on BBC Radio about three hours ago, I bet he gets paid quite a lot to spout that nonsense.

He started a rant about how Tyler and Floyd were tarnished, bitter, blah blah blah, etc., then someone else either in the studio or the phone asked what about Hincapie? The response was magnificent, he couldn't comment about Hincapie since he didn't know about the confession (this was 3 hours ago) and this was all because USADA refused to hand over the full case file.
 
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Jack Robertson Exhibit A (Appendix A) is almost as entertaining as Exhibit B. If only Ferrari's son wasn't such a suck up, but the parts where he clearly acts as a conduit are interesting enough.

There are a few fun parts at the end, but not really relevant to Lance. Page 61 talks about Ferrari thinking about suing Daniel Benson and CN; Page 68 and 69, for some reason, has an e-mail from Victor Hugo Pena seeking a training plan in 2007! Looks like they were maintaining a website where anyone could seek their services, probably under Health & Performance, but since it's liquidated I cannot find a site.

I'll be in Rock Racing team is an new team and they want to do big things

Still, €300 for a test with Michele Ferrari. €5,000 for a whole season. I can't help but think Lance could have haggled a little on his USD1m bill.
 
Tinman said:
And why did USADA never receive the Novitzky files?

The document says that USADA requested access to non-GJ files from Birote (sp?), but they hadn't received any to date. This is in a footnote somewhere, as I recall, but I don't have the doc in front of me.

Even though I'm online.

#lazytibbs
 
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Tinman said:
And why did USADA never receive the Novitzky files?

There was an interview where Tygart said he never received any files. What he had was someone from the feds sitting in during the rider interviews.

They would verify what the rider was saying when compared to the testimony with a simple "look". So if the rider started lying when compared to their statements given under oath to the grand jury it was pretty obvious.
 
Wearing Thin said:
Jack Robertson Exhibit A (Appendix A) is almost as entertaining as Exhibit B. If only Ferrari's son wasn't such a suck up, but the parts where he clearly acts as a conduit are interesting enough.

There are a few fun parts at the end, but not really relevant to Lance. Page 61 talks about Ferrari thinking about suing Daniel Benson and CN; Page 68 and 69, for some reason, has an e-mail from Victor Hugo Pena seeking a training plan in 2007! Looks like they were maintaining a website where anyone could seek their services, probably under Health & Performance, but since it's liquidated I cannot find a site.

Still, €300 for a test with Michele Ferrari. €5,000 for a whole season. I can't help but think Lance could have haggled a little on his USD1m bill.

All the numbers in that PDF would be interesting to look at. There is tons of power stuff.

I did find it amusing that in one email Stefano says that Evans is dumb. It is also interesting that the riders they considered to be the biggest threats were Contador and Menchov. I always rated Evans to be better than Menchov, but I suppose Ferrari looked at the numbers from their past performances.

It is also interesting that almost as soon as he washed out of the 2010 Tour, he was looking toward Kona.
 
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LOL at LA blowing a fuse with FA over Betsy dissing nannies to Kristin, right before the AGR.

Then, piano mouth sux his wheel the last 20k and outsprints him. I bet you could fry an egg on LA's forehead that evening lol.

This report is crazy. I gotta get some sleep.