silverrocket said:
While I still have no faith that any athletics winners are clean, I don't like how Jamaica is being singled out as being worse just because they are dominating. A previous poster claimed this dominance by a small nation is "statistically impossible" without dope, and asked for an alternate explanation, so:
1. Unlikely dominance in a single sport by a small population is often
cultural: eg. Norway=nordic skiing, West Indies=cricket, Cuba=boxing. Canada with 1/10 the population of the USA still produces 5 times as many professional hockey players. Look at tiny Belgium: any good cyclists ever come from there?
Athletics is also not just a way of life in Jamaica, it is a way out of poverty.
Last point. Hence why Jamaica needs to be dealt with harshly. It's all about the $$$. That was my point. The PTB know the athletes bring in the coin. They know their genetic makeup responds well to doping for track and field. They know if they test a nation rife with dopers, they'll lose money and worse, spend the money obtained via doping to catch their athletes doping. Hence they don't test when they don't have to.
Hockey is a skill sport and the NATIONAL sport. Just like Cricket in India. West Indies are no longer a strong cricket nation. They were till the late 80s. It's in decline now. Why? Oh that's right...money is to be had from ATHLETICS and the results come from doping. People go for the money champ. We've heard plenty of stories from Bolt, Powell and Blake to Aussie interviewers about how they'd loved to have been cricketers, but they stuck with athletics. Won't take a million guesses to realise there was a major push for athletics and that was the money and support.
2. It can be enhanced by genetics: the best sprinters have west-African heritage, which explains the very obvious/politically incorrect racial makeup of practically every 100m final since Valeri Borzov cleaned up in '72. Jamaicans are largely descended from slaves, which came from West Africa. There are entire books about this stuff.
Wow! OMG! I never knew there were entire books claiming because someone was a slave their genetic lineage was somehow superior! Take a look at who finished with a silver medal in the mens 200m in Mexico City in 68. An Aussie. Right between two men of African American descent. Right before times starting going crazy. You're full of $h1t on this one. African genetics respond better to doping for athletics events running. Clean, everyone is about the same. The pre USSR and GDR dopefests of the 70s, 80s and early 90s prove it.
But if you want to play this BS card, then I'll play one too. Chinese women are the greatest genetically gifted runners of all time. Take a look at the world records and what they did in the early 90s! Full natty brah!
3. It can be enhanced by where a nation devotes its
resources. Jamaica pumps almost all of their sporting money into athletics. USA, Russia, China spread theirs around. Canada is one of the few nations to prioritize the winter olympics over the summer, but this resulted in Canadian dominance in the 2010 Olympics. Focus where the odds of success are highest. For Jamaica it is sprinting. The UK has certainly been prioritizing cycling lately, and look at their results (could be a bad example, actually
).
In Jamaica's very, very first Olympics, back when their population was half of what it is now, they managed to get gold & silver in the 400m. In 1952 they were 1st, 2nd again, and the defending champ was 5th! What are the odds of a tiny nation smaller than most major cities having the THREE fastest long-sprinters in the entire world? Were they doping in 1948 and 1952? Not likely!
You are so lost it isn't funny. I said they could win. But only ONE athlete. Which is exactly what your example shows. One medal. Nice try with Helsinki champ...the fastest woman in the world that year is from my home town. Not Jamaican. Oh but that's the point...100m runner versus 400m. I wonder why Jamaican's then couldn't win the 100m? Or why they stopped winning till the 80s when Ben Johnson roided up? Oh that's right...nobody is saying anyone pre GDR was doping. Troll logic bro. Troll logic.
But if your attempt to throw legit Jamaican athletes from an age where they were doing what they could do clean in with the current mob is your only card then you'll need to step it up a notch. What you demonstrated that Jamaicans have a natural affinity for 400m. Guess what Bolt won as a junior? The 400m. Then he TRANSFORMED into a 100m/200m guy. You went quite a way to proving my point. Their sprinters are doping experiments.
Count your lucky stars the Chinese don't go POSTAL doping wise. You'll be screaming forever they are cheats, but no, the Jamaican's are just genetically gifted. In a CLEAN sport, no country or genetic heritage puts 5 men in a final from a pool of 3 million. Troll some more for me. Gosh...that does it. I say we all put money together and fund the first pure Nepalese Sherpa Cycling team. Kiss the Tour de France goodbye FOREVER.