USAPCC Stage 3: Vail ITT 16.1km (25/8/2011)

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Great news!
Picture break up has been restored.:D

Bottom line: George Hincapie won the big mountain stage and unlike at the 2005 Tour, not from the break.
The remaining stages do not appear to contain parcour unlikely to the most exciting racing.

Utah, with a few years under it's belt, got the course about right.
It may take Colorado a few years of course tinkering to get the most out of it's quality field.

However, imo, those who are trying to sell dour attrition, as some form of "different", yet marketable excitement, are some way off the mark.

This machine is broken and needs to be fixed. It's down to the locals to recognize the need and get it sorted.
 
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Deagol said:
Sounds like you guys need to start your own complaint thread. Again, if it is so boring, why not focus on another race?

This is a cycling forum. People can and do post about the good and bad of cycling.

This particular race made the mistake of paying quite a bit of money to publicise and have itself televised, and then didn't deliver the goods. It is precisely the sort of thing people will comment on.

More broadly, I'm sure you've experienced frustration before with people who can't accept their children are less beautiful and talented than they think. Everytime a local comes up with a mealy-mouthed post pretending it isn't a bit (i'm being generous) dull, or trying to claim altitude justifies a boring route, it just encourages people to want to put the boot in.
 
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
If your argument is that racing at altitude is so fundamentally difficult that the racing will always be turgid then -

a) They might as well give up now with this race, because if it's this dull next year it will be a laughing stock.

b) the Vuelta a Colombia seems to beg to differ.
hey, i am totally with you. this is a painfully boring course... it saddens me because i love colorado madly and think there is so much better to offer. i'd rather have shorter stages with a some oomph.

still, i do think people are minimising the effects of altitude because they've never been.

all this made even worse by the fact that they can't keep the feed from breaking up... um,guys, the sun is out today -- and your excuse is?

this really is a bit of a cluster f*ck of a race.
 
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On a how stupid are Eurosport note, they're now showing yesterday on a 1 hour highlights package they're contractually obliged to show, but haven't been bothered to edit out the constant picture breakup.
 
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
On a how stupid are Eurosport note, they're now showing yesterday on a 1 hour highlights package they're contractually obliged to show, but haven't been bothered to edit out the constant picture breakup.
lol! i saw that earlier today...

for excitement, however, i just had a horse-drawn wagon train out my window... going on the tram tracks... surreal.

lol! commentator can't tell it is because the face of the rider is so pixelated. truly pathetic!
 
Apr 16, 2009
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Deagol said:
Funny thing is, many on this forum called the TDF this year boring. Heck, the Giro had the hardest route in a long time and they called that boring, too (due to AC's domination)

Some people are just never happy. But, whatever. No body is forcing anybody to watch this race.... feel free to focus on the Vuelta.
+1.

People will never be happy.
 
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hey, i am totally with you. this is a painfully boring course... it saddens me because i love colorado madly and think there is so much better to offer. i'd rather have shorter stages with a some oomph.

still, i do think people are minimising the effects of altitude because they've never been.

I have exercised at altitude. Lots. Everything from road cycling to mountain biking to trail running to climbing.

I just do not get how they could have come up with this course. There are so many great opportunities in Colorado. It is a total fail on the part of the organizers.
 
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Damiano Machiavelli said:
I have exercised at altitude. Lots. Everything from road cycling to mountain biking to trail running to climbing.

I just do not get how they could have come up with this course. There are so many great opportunities in Colorado. It is a total fail on the part of the organizers.
on the first point, a lot of people that are moaning that have not.

on the second, i completely agree!
 
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American races are like women in the workforce. They have to do twice as much to be acknowledged and appreciated.
 
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hrotha said:
American races are like women in the workforce. They have to do twice as much to be acknowledged and appreciated.

Where do you work? 1968?

Everyone agreed Utah was great fun - trying to pretend this a national issue is rather silly frankly.
 
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Where do you work? 1968?

Everyone agreed Utah was great fun - trying to pretend this a national issue is rather silly frankly.
It was more of a historical comparison, but I couldn't include a temporal reference without making the syntax kind of awkward, and since the final version still applies to certain fields and many countries, I left it like that.
 
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
This is a cycling forum. People can and do post about the good and bad of cycling.

This particular race made the mistake of paying quite a bit of money to publicise and have itself televised, and then didn't deliver the goods. It is precisely the sort of thing people will comment on.

More broadly, I'm sure you've experienced frustration before with people who can't accept their children are less beautiful and talented than they think. Everytime a local comes up with a mealy-mouthed post pretending it isn't a bit (i'm being generous) dull, or trying to claim altitude justifies a boring route, it just encourages people to want to put the boot in.

The point is that the thread is being hijacked. I think everyone has said the coverage (TV & internet) sucks and I could not agree more. Also, it sucks that we are stuck with Phil & Paul. But this thread in particular, the complaints have not really been all about the admittedly lousy coverage, but have focused on one thing: gradient….. and talk about beating a dead horse. The mention of altitude by posters here (I can't speak on behalf of the commercials, since I don't watch them) has been brought up as a counterpoint to the lack of steep gradient, not as some incendiary or “Mealy-mouthed” comment. No one here has said anything ridiculous as what the promoters may have said (i.e. “this is as good as the Tour”, etc..) I have not heard anything like that directly, but if it was said, then it is embarrassing, to say the least (not for the posters here, but for the marketing tool who actually wrote/said it).

So, here are things we agree on, as far as I can tell:
1) The route could be better (locals have been saying this right from when the route was first announced)
2) The climbs are not as steep as Europe. This is the point where altitude is brought-in as a balancing factor
3) Phil & Paul & Bob are idiots (Ok, that may be bit harsh to some and not harsh enough for others, but that is my opinion, and I have met Bob Roll)
4) The coverage totally sucks. No possible disagreement here. I might argue that we need to separate the coverage from the actual race, but for us fans, one does not exist without the other, so we are screwed.
5) The promoters are too cocky. From the small bit of advertising, I would have to agree. Maybe it’s a result of the monster-truck mentality in this country?
6) It is a new race, problems will need to be worked-out and things (route, coverage) should improve in the future.
7) This race is not on the same level as the TDF, Giro, or Vuelta, or several other long-running races (this one should be a no brainer, but see #5 above). On this one, I think what they are saying is to hype the race to US fans who never heard of any of those races. They focus on the uninformed (about cycling) public and assume no familiarity with the sport on their part (which is a mistake IMO).
 
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Walter Pedraza cheating his *** off. I really wish the UCI would crack down on drafting in the ITT, it's been a problem at Worlds several times in the past decade. They need to start making guys ride on the opposite side of the road if they get caught until the rider who passes them is more than ten seconds up the road, and start fining them time and money if they don't obey.
 
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Deagol said:
4) The coverage totally sucks. No possible disagreement here. I might argue that we need to separate the coverage from the actual race, but for us fans, one does not exist without the other, so we are screwed.

Afraid I do disagree here - I'm very impressed with the tracker thingy, picture break-up aside.

And mercifully I don't have to listen to those two cretins being over in the UK. If I did, I know where the mute button is.

I very much hope they stick with the level of effort on coverage next year - the race director has really performed quite a few steps below his communications team, but hopefully that message will get through and the race quality will match the coverage next year.
 
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McCartney and Niermann leading Ten Dam so the climbing skills aren't the most important for this stage. Maybe Zabriskie will pull this off.
 
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Afraid I do disagree here - I'm very impressed with the tracker thingy, picture break-up aside.

And mercifully I don't have to listen to those two cretins being over in the UK. If I did, I know where the mute button is.

I very much hope they stick with the level of effort on coverage next year - the race director has really performed quite a few steps below his communications team, but hopefully that message will get through and the race quality will match the coverage next year.
i love the ambition.

i hate the execution of the feed.