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auscyclefan94 said:
Put it this way, would you agree that Evans would of been with all the favourites if he hadn't had the puncture on Sierra Nevada?

imo, yes. Therefore he would of not lost time to Sanchez who was dropped but he would of gained time on him. Without that puncture Sanchez would of not finished ahead of Evans. In saying that, I can not be definetly sure about that therefore imo Samuel Sanchez was the winner of the Vuelta a Espana.

Look at the Vuelta contenders in 2009

Valverde - shouldn't of been competing, didn't ride the tour.
Sanchez - didn't ride the tour.
Evans - rode the tour and a heavy race program all year.
Mosquera - didn't ride the tour
Gesink - had some bad luck during the Vuelta which possibly cost him a podium place.


Evans would of not gone into that GT overly fresh. If he did then he would of crushed the rest of that competition anyway.

Valverde's stripping of results was common sense. He shouldn't of been competing. He was later found to be guilty even though his legal team manipulated the system a fair bit. It is really that simple.
maltiv said:
Do you use the preposition "of" as a verb on purpose to annoy people or is it a genuine mistake? (sorry for commenting on grammar, but I mean, you did it 6 times in 1 post) :p
You missed 2 "of's", mate
 
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El Pistolero said:
Miguel Indurain broke the world hour record back when modern bikes were still allowed. ChrIs Boardman broke Big Mig's record with a modern bike as well. The UCI decided to make these records unofficial and everyone now has to use the same bike Merckx used. Chris Boardman broke Merckx his record finally with only a few meters better. So someone who beat Big Mig in the time trial could only barely beat the record of a guy who already won the Giro/Tour that season and before his big injury(Merckx had a very nasty crash in '69 and was never his former self again). Chris Boardman prepared his entire season for the Hour record. Merckx of course did not and already had a long season behind him.

Yeah, amateur huh ;)
Boardman was well and truely past it by the time he took the athlete's hour record.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
I should have put you on ignore many times before.
Really? I've never offended Evans and I provided material to the TGAK hype you started, not exactly ignore-list material!

It's just that the mistake happens so frequently that one would think you would appreciate someone pointing it out, in order to prevent it from happening in more serious circumstances.
 
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will10 said:
Boardman was well and truely past it by the time he took the athlete's hour record.
Boardman wouldn't have done even 45km in an hour after he would have already ridden what Merckx rode that season.

The Tour, the Giro, every Monument, Paris-Nice, Italian one day classics, etc
 
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El Pistolero said:
Boardman wouldn't have done even 45km in an hour after he would have already ridden what Merckx rode that season.

The Tour, the Giro, every Monument, Paris-Nice, Italian one day classics, etc
Cant seriously be suggesting that Merckx was better than Boardman!

Going out on a bit of a limb there ;)
 
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Richeypen said:
Cant seriously be suggesting that Merckx was better than Boardman!

Going out on a bit of a limb there ;)
I'm just saying Merckx wasn't an amateur like c&c is suggesting lol. Otherwise all these professional cyclists would beat his Hour record easily. One of the best time trial specialists of his day barely could do it. After preparing his entire season for it.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I'm just saying Merckx wasn't an amateur like c&c is suggesting lol. Otherwise all these professional cyclists would beat his Hour record easily. One of the best time trial specialists of his day barely could do it. After preparing his entire season for it.
Are you doing this on purpose??

you.. seriously :eek:
 
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maltiv said:
Really? I've never offended Evans and I provided material to the TGAK hype you started, not exactly ignore-list material!

It's just that the mistake happens so frequently that one would think you would appreciate someone pointing it out, in order to prevent it from happening in more serious circumstances.
I said that because I was trying to be ironic by saying should have instead of should of.
craig1985 said:
ACF supports Collingwood that's why :p

(yes, this was in jest)
:mad: - you've really crossed the line this time!
 
auscyclefan94 said:
I should have put you on ignore many times before.

I hope you feel big about yourself that you can correct one's grammatical errors.:rolleyes:
Bravo!
Hmmm..ignore list...ACF can you face the truth sometimes like a man?

PS: Evans might be the only word that keep us on the same page in this forum :D
 
auscyclefan94 said:
Put it this way, would you agree that Evans would of been with all the favourites if he hadn't had the puncture on Sierra Nevada?

imo, yes. Therefore he would of not lost time to Sanchez who was dropped but he would of gained time on him. Without that puncture Sanchez would of not finished ahead of Evans. In saying that, I can not be definetly sure about that therefore imo Samuel Sanchez was the winner of the Vuelta a Espana.

Look at the Vuelta contenders in 2009

Valverde - shouldn't of been competing, didn't ride the tour.
Sanchez - didn't ride the tour.
Evans - rode the tour and a heavy race program all year.
Mosquera - didn't ride the tour
Gesink - had some bad luck during the Vuelta which possibly cost him a podium place.


Evans would of not gone into that GT overly fresh. If he did then he would of crushed the rest of that competition anyway.

Valverde's stripping of results was common sense. He shouldn't of been competing. He was later found to be guilty even though his legal team manipulated the system a fair bit. It is really that simple.
You seem to want Valverde to have been suspended from when he was caught rather than in 2010 which is what happened. right?

But oh wait, if Valverde had been suspended when he was caught he would have been banned untill 2008 and would have been well back by September 2009.

Either way Valverde rides the Vuelta in 09.
 
Woody22 said:
So does Evans. Just did it in the 2011 Tour de France. The time he lost he made up before the end of the stage.

Not really. Other people got screwed Cadel didnt. The mechanical took place 80km from the end, and it allowed him to get back to the main group.

everything came back together in the end, no thanks to him.

If you treat that as a mechanical then when contador punctured 130km from the end it was also a mechanical.

It took him a heroic effort to get back into the group:rolleyes:

How did he finish with the favorites :eek:
 
auscyclefan94 said:
- He got lucky that he had to chase downa 4minute gap into a headwind on the Galibier with no help
-He got lucky that he had a mechanical when Andy Schleck was going up the road
-He got lucky that he again had to chase down a 1.5 minute gap on the galibier for a 2nd day in a row.
Crashing, a mechanical at the end of the stage when everyone is going all out, twisting your ankle when you get up in the morning, getting told the 3km rule doesnt apply to rule because the organisers dont like you but does apply to your rivals, those are things to do with luck.

What you describe above is a race situation.

Schleck vs Cadel.

Schleck attacks. Wastes a lot of energy for 60km. Is practically dead going up Galibier all on his own.

What a perfect race situation for Cadel.

And yet.

The Cadel fans cry that other riders dont start helping Cadel for some bizzare reason.

How dare Basso not waste his energy helping Cadel win the Tour. What a horrible horrible man:rolleyes:

I feel sorry for people who wait so long for something to happen, and when lady luck gives it to them, find other reasons to complain.

Cadel is given the perfect situation and they cry that other riders dont share the same love for Evans as they do.

Evans wins the Tour and ACF after almost a year of top posting, regresses back to the annoying blowhard that made everyone dislike Cadel in the first place.
 
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Yes Cadel had some luck. He also worked bloody hard, he made mistakes, he made smart moves, he had mechanical problems, his rivals had mechanical problems. In the end what does it matter. Every tour winner would have had the same issues.

Cadel won he is the best. All you Cadel haters will just have to accept that.
(I severly dislike Contador but when he won i also said he was the best)
 
Green_&_Gold said:
Yes Cadel had some luck. He also worked bloody hard, he made mistakes, he made smart moves, he had mechanical problems, his rivals had mechanical problems. In the end what does it matter. Every tour winner would have had the same issues.

Cadel won he is the best. All you Cadel haters will just have to accept that.
(I severly dislike Contador but when he won i also said he was the best)
Cadel isn't "the best". Even Cadel wouldn't say that.

Cadel likely knows in his heart of hearts that an on-form Contador is superior to him, but he also knows that he shouldn't care, because the Contador he beat was at sub-peak form.

Evans is now a Tour winner. We can talk of how key opposition was out of form, crashed out, how abysmally dull the parcours was and who had what luck whenever as much as we like, but he has every right to say "I've got a yellow jersey at home, and I don't care", just like Óscar Pereiro does. Because you can only beat who shows up on the day, and Evans did that. And yes, lots of people made mistakes or had bad luck. But Evans made damn sure that if other people were going to make mistakes or have bad luck, then HE would be the one in the best position to profit. And well done to him for it.
 
Green_&_Gold said:
Yes Cadel had some luck. He also worked bloody hard, he made mistakes, he made smart moves, he had mechanical problems, his rivals had mechanical problems. In the end what does it matter. Every tour winner would have had the same issues.

Cadel won he is the best. All you Cadel haters will just have to accept that.
(I severly dislike Contador but when he won i also said he was the best)
Learn to read. Responding to a idiotic post which suggests that poor Cadel was unlucky in the Tour where 9 out of his 10 biggest challengers were eliminated before the mountains came through no fault of their own and everything went absolutely right for him, is totaly different to saying he didnt deserve it.

You need to find someone to respond to otherwise go create your own thread.
 
I thought this was a Valverde related discussion, not one about Evans:p?

Would someone explain to me why Evans is so popular on this forum? (I am new here :p). Not that I have something against the man, it just surprises me how many fans he's got around here. Lots of Australians here I'm guessing?
 
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frisenfruitig said:
I thought this was a Valverde related discussion, not one about Evans:p?

Would someone explain to me why Evans is so popular on this forum? (I am new here :p). Not that I have something against the man, it just surprises me how many fans he's got around here. Lots of Australians here I'm guessing?
He has the same amount of fans as haters here.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Evans is now a Tour winner. We can talk of how key opposition was out of form, crashed out, how abysmally dull the parcours was and who had what luck whenever as much as we like, but he has every right to say "I've got a yellow jersey at home, and I don't care", just like Óscar Pereiro does.
Like what you wrote, except you mentioned Pereiro in the same sentence. Very weak and cheap on your part, because it's not even close to being the same situation.
 
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The Hitch said:
Learn to read. Responding to a idiotic post which suggests that poor Cadel was unlucky in the Tour where 9 out of his 10 biggest challengers were eliminated before the mountains came through no fault of their own and everything went absolutely right for him, is totaly different to saying he didnt deserve it.

You need to find someone to respond to otherwise go create your own thread.
I wasnt responding to anyones post, just giving my opinion mate.
I rate cadel as the best as he won the #1 bike race (but again that is juts my opinion).
 
cineteq said:
Like what you wrote, except you mentioned Pereiro in the same sentence. Very weak and cheap on your part, because it's not even close to being the same situation.
No, it isn't the same situation at all. But Pereiro has faced criticism for not being a "proper" Tour winner, and his response has been along the lines of "I've got a maillot jaune at home, so I don't care".

That's why I mentioned him.
 
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Hello everyone, please stay on the topic of valverde, some of these posts are wandering too far off, and be nice too.
 
The Hitch said:
Not really. Other people got screwed Cadel didnt. The mechanical took place 80km from the end, and it allowed him to get back to the main group.

everything came back together in the end, no thanks to him.

If you treat that as a mechanical then when contador punctured 130km from the end it was also a mechanical.

It took him a heroic effort to get back into the group:rolleyes:

How did he finish with the favorites :eek:
Hitch, sometimes I wonder if you are posting too much on this forum. No thanks to Cadel? He did hunt down Andy (with a lot of help from Sandy Casar) and the others and after group Evans joined Andy and AC they did stop riding wich made it possible for Voeckler to join them before Duez.

You are quite biased in many of your posts, I have to say.

And by the way, after the stage Evans said that without Casar it wouldn't had beeen certain that they would catch Andys group before Duez so yes, I did think he had to work quite hard in order to join them before the climb. Heroic? Probably not. Still I see no reason to mock his effort. Sadly, you do.
 

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