Valverde case delayed AGAIN!

[Aguirre]

No, Valverde changed his DNA since. Or we have a stand-in Valverde now. Like accounts of Paul McCartney having been been replaced by a more talented look-alike in the 60's...

No need to take new DNA from him, it has been taken of several occasions in the past I'm sure. If prior samples are good enough for CONI, it should be good enough for UCI.

and what if the CONI got the bag, and then mixed up with Alejandro's sample blood they got in pratovenoso stage???

CSI?

 

[Cloxxki]

Does that not go for every single sample ever taken?

They better cross-match DNA from the said bag to DNA samples taken before and after of him. The more re-testing, the more chance Dopey will get a chance to lawyer himself out of this one.

 

[MacRoadie]

Like accounts of Paul McCartney having been been replaced by a more talented look-alike in the 60's...

Too bad they couldn't find a more attractive and less irritating Yoko Ono while they were at it.

 

[issoisso]

hey, he said in a neutral zone, not spain, it could be done... let's say... in Suisse?

Where I first saw it reported it said Spain. Still, he's gonna find it hard to weasel out of this one

 

[Angliru]

Now Valverde wants his DNA retested to prove his innocence....but he'll only do it if it's done in spain. You can see where this is going.

The article I read said "an independent lab outside of Italy" and didn't specify Spain as the requested testing location. Is there another article that states he specified Spain only (link)?

 

[issoisso]

The article I read said "an independent lab outside of Italy" and didn't specify Spain as the requested testing location. Is there another article that states he specified Spain only (link)?

It was on biciciclismo this morning (about 10 hours ago), but they seem to have corrected it.

 

[Bala Verde]

I haven't checked the whole thread, so if it's been reported accept my apologies.

According to Sporza, Manzano has seen Valverde use doping.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/100116_manzano_over_valverde

Met mijn eigen ogen heb ik gezien hoe Valverde zich meermaals bij Kelme heeft gedopeerd

With my own eyes have I seen how Valverde doped himself when we rode together at Kelme (2002-2003)

Als Valverde deze week aan het TAS had toegegeven dat hij doping heeft genomen, was hij met een jaar schorsing weggekomen, nu zal hij twee jaar verliezen. Italië heeft Basso geofferd, Duitsland Ullrich. In Spanje gebeurt niets.

If Valverde had confessed to doping, he would have faced a 1 yr suspension. Now he'll lose 2 years. Italy sacrificed Basso, Germany Ullrich. In Spain, nothing happens.

 

[lucybears]

According to Sporza, Manzano has seen Valverde use doping.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/100116_manzano_over_valverde

In connection with the statements of Mr. D. Jesus Manzano, released by the Publico newspaper on 16 January, Valverde has announced legal action against Manzano.

Interview in Diario Público

"Vi doparse en muchas ocasiones a Valverde"
http://www.publico.es/deportes/286007/vi/doparse/muchas/ocasiones/valverde

"I saw on many occasions doping Valverde"
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...doparse/muchas/ocasiones/valverde&sl=es&tl=en

 

[frenchfry]

In connection with the statements of Mr. D. Jesus Manzano, released by the Publico newspaper on 16 January, Valverde has announced legal action against Manzano.

Interview in Diario Público

"Vi doparse en muchas ocasiones a Valverde"
http://www.publico.es/deportes/286007/vi/doparse/muchas/ocasiones/valverde

"I saw on many occasions doping Valverde"
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...doparse/muchas/ocasiones/valverde&sl=es&tl=en

If he goes after Manzano I hope his sorry bµtt gets suspended for a lifetime.

 

[Escarabajo]

This is what happens to whistleblowers in Cycling. Jesus Manzano working as a Gardener:

No wonder why people don't want to break the OMERTA.

 

[craig1985]

No matter what sport you do, what profession, nobody likes whistle blowers or 'dobbers'.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

This is what happens to whistleblowers in Cycling. Jesus Manzano working as a Gardener.

Remember what Alex Zulle said after l'Affair Festina? That as he saw it there were two choices, dope and ride like everyone else at high speed, while making good money at it. Or go back to painting houses for a living.

 

[craig1985]

House painters in Switzerland must earn pretty **** money.

 

[BroDeal]

In connection with the statements of Mr. D. Jesus Manzano, released by the Publico newspaper on 16 January, Valverde has announced legal action against Manzano.

Looks like he has decided to descend to the bottom of the slime bucket with the likes of Armstrong.

He should have paid Manzano off years ago. Right now he should cut a deal with the Spanish fed to give him a year in exchange for information on Fuentes and maybe Saiz. Both are persona non grata in the cycling world, so it is not like he is giving up anything. The Spanish seem ready to do anything to prevent their athletes being held accountable for their dope use. They would probably play along. Valverde sits out this season and comes back in 2011.

 

[Ripper]

Bump

Bump ... looks like CAS agrees with CONI (link). Next up - UCI and WADA.

 

[Big GMaC]

Bump ... looks like CAS agrees with CONI (link). Next up - UCI and WADA.

Ha.Finally! I mean, how long has this been? I mean, Puerto? If he had done the time back then, he would have been racing again since mid '08!

 

[michaeld]

Valverde is gone. The Tour won't take him.

 

[skidmark]

Hoo boy... looks like his chickens have finally come home to roost. Cyclingnews has it up now too.

I wonder if the UCI will wait until their case is heard to ban him, or just do it straight out. Either way, I expect them to say it's thanks to the biological passport.

 

[Fourier]

Bump ... looks like CAS agrees with CONI (link). Next up - UCI and WADA.

If the ban is aknowledged by the UCI and applied worldwide, would it end on may 2011 (as the CONI ban) or would he be banned 2 years starting from the moment the decision is made?
What would happen to his previous results?
It's quite a mess

 

[luckyboy]

No idea about that, but this is good news. They should strike every result since Puerto, but that won't happen.

Sucks that so few results get changed as a result of doping. Like Riis (I know the rule, but that rule is ****) and more that I'm not going into..

 

[Animal]

The UCI needs to exclude the Spanish federation from UCI races. It stinks. They want to be able to dope and get away with it when caught.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If the ban is aknowledged by the UCI and applied worldwide, would it end on may 2011 (as the CONI ban) or would he be banned 2 years starting from the moment the decision is made?
What would happen to his previous results?
It's quite a mess

A big mess - and also confusing and sometimes difficult to follow.

Just a recap on todays announcement - we already knew much of the details back in Januaryas Valverdes legal team had confirmed that the CONI 2 year sanction was ruled fair and that CONI had authority to sanction Valverde.

Today is just the release of the legal findings.

There is another case indirectly involving Valverde before CAS, that is potentially more damaging to him. The UCI & WADA have taken a case against the Spanish cycling federation (RFEC) who had said there was insufficient evidence to pursue a case against Valverde, this case is scheduled to start later this week.

 

[franciep10]

Well this is good for cycling but however hypocritical it might be Valverde is one of my favorite riders, I'm sad to see him go

 

[RTMcFadden]

If the ban is aknowledged by the UCI and applied worldwide, would it end on may 2011 (as the CONI ban) or would he be banned 2 years starting from the moment the decision is made?
What would happen to his previous results?
It's quite a mess

There's an interesting question.

Since his lawyers stated "The CAS does not have the competence to rule that a decision made by the Spanish courts is illegal."

And since his major win was the Vuelta de Espana, within the competent jurisdiction of the Spanish court.

Does the UCI have the authority to strip him of his title?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

There's an interesting question.

Since his lawyers stated "The CAS does not have the competence to rule that a decision made by the Spanish courts is illegal."

And since his major win was the Vuelta de Espana, within the competent jurisdiction of the Spanish court.

Does the UCI have the authority to strip him of his title?

Isn't the Vuelta Unipublic, not UCI? Anyway, since there is no evidence to say he won the Vuelta doped, and since the blood bags in question date from 2004, it would be a pretty unbelievable punishment to remove five years' worth of results that, in the eyes of the law at least, were cleanly won.