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Valverde case delayed AGAIN!

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Escarabajo said:
Well, I don't know what is going to save Valverde this time, because Manzano is going to testify against him next week during the CAS hearing. Manzano is the rider who helped uncover all the rampant doping in procycling and his confessions led to the so famous Operacion Puerto.

His testimony is going to put the nail on the coffin on the Valverde global ban.

Looks like Manzano will have the opportunity to change his story for money.
 
luckyboy said:
Hopefully not. You think that will happen?

I don't know, but I would think it would be hard for Manzano to turn down two or three hundred thousand euros. Valverde could afford that easily. Last I heard Manzano was working construction. Over the last few years he has seen that talking will not change anything. The system is completely corrupt. So why not make some money for himself out of the situation?
 
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Isn't Valverdes case to be heard while he is in Australia? Or did it get delayed again, I can't keep up, it's been delayed so often.
 
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On the other hand, Manzano could easily face this as "I sacrificed my career for the good of the sport and they just ostracized me. Someone's gotta pay. And it's going to be piti."
 
craig1985 said:
Now wouldn't that be illegal? Don't know if that would be considered perjury or not.

Who will prosecute him? The Spanish?? LOL. He could refuse to testify. He could say he misremembered before and now he has no first hand knowledge of Valverde doping.

issoisso said:
On the other hand, Manzano could easily face this as "I sacrificed my career for the good of the sport and they just ostracized me. Someone's gotta pay. And it's going to be piti."

That could be. I am sure there would be an urge to do that, but I tend to think that money would overcome the desire to get back at the sport. If he is still working construction then he cannot be making much money. How far would you be willing to bend for a payment of, say, ten times your annual income? At some point there has to come a time when you feel that everything that happened is part of your old life and a large payment would help you in your current one. Then factor in that there is no indication that testifying against Valverde will change a thing--other than getting Piti suspended. Why turn down money to effectively accomplish nothing?
 
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Am I the only one getting a bit nauseous about this. Aren't these things supposed to be based on specific evidence of specific events?

Doesn't this seem to be going for the he's a bad bad man crime... what next bring out his neighbours to say he doesn't keep the lid on his bin?, doesn't have a fence around his pool, plays really loud music and eats veal! VEAL! He's got to be evil!
 
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WIll this ever end..

Thing is, the guys got CONI, the UCI and WADA testifying against him...

Does he not understand he isnt wanted?
 
BroDeal said:
Who will prosecute him? The Spanish?? LOL. He could refuse to testify. He could say he misremembered before and now he has no first hand knowledge of Valverde doping.

A second hearing, with potentially greater implications for Valverde’s career, will take place from March 18-21. This was requested by the UCI and WADA, and is an appeal against the Spanish cycling federation’s decision not to discipline the rider. It could potentially result in a worldwide ban for Valverde.

So, maybe, by the time all the processes are completed, the UCI/WADA will have slapped him with a full ban.
Interesting to me, is that Piti will almost have done his CONI time, by then. Would he therefore be able only to race in Italy?
 
Mellow Velo said:
So, maybe, by the time all the processes are completed, the UCI/WADA will have slapped him with a full ban.
Interesting to me, is that Piti will almost have done his CONI time, by then. Would he therefore be able only to race in Italy?

Sounds fair to me. Maybe he'll get a podium or victory and/or even sweep the big Italian races: Milan San Remo, Giro and Lombardia. That would really upset some folks!;)
 
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I'll be on Willunga Hill waving the "Pitiful" banner when he rides past.

if i was a little more revolutionary i would suggest throwing blood bags at him..
 
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BroDeal said:
Who will prosecute him? The Spanish?? LOL. He could refuse to testify. He could say he misremembered before and now he has no first hand knowledge of Valverde doping.



That could be. I am sure there would be an urge to do that, but I tend to think that money would overcome the desire to get back at the sport. If he is still working construction then he cannot be making much money. How far would you be willing to bend for a payment of, say, ten times your annual income? At some point there has to come a time when you feel that everything that happened is part of your old life and a large payment would help you in your current one. Then factor in that there is no indication that testifying against Valverde will change a thing--other than getting Piti suspended. Why turn down money to effectively accomplish nothing?

Really? I'm amazed they earn so little. In Australia, a lot of people who work construction (ie builders, sparkie's, bricklayers etc.) make at least $100k a year (fully qualified), and even those that are not, earn decent money as it is. Even if he were earning a good sum of money (high five figure or low six figure for example), and Piti offered him a cheque of 200-30o hundred thousand euros, it will still be tempting to take the cash.
 
craig1985 said:
Really? I'm amazed they earn so little. In Australia, a lot of people who work construction (ie builders, sparkie's, bricklayers etc.) make at least $100k a year (fully qualified), and even those that are not, earn decent money as it is. Even if he were earning a good sum of money (high five figure or low six figure for example), and Piti offered him a cheque of 200-30o hundred thousand euros, it will still be tempting to take the cash.

If Spain is like other places suffering from a real estate bubble collapse then construction is not a good place to be right now. For everyone making 100K+ in construction, there are a ton of people who make crap wages. At least that is how it is in the U.S. Maybe Manzano does skilled labor and is paid well. I don't know. I am sure that Valverde could be quite persuasive. Until recently he supposedly had the highest salary in cycling.

I don't think any payment woudl be made by check. That dramaticly increases the buying power of the money, assuming the bribee does not pay taxes on the bribe. Piti could probably ask Armstrong for advice about how to pass the money along.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
I thinking more of throwing Cadel Evans at him.;)

Youve just made me spontaneously burst into laughter.. thanks for that..:D

Ferminal said:
Be patient and Cadel might just throw himself at him...

that sounds a little too much like man love
 
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BroDeal said:
If Spain is like other places suffering from a real estate bubble collapse then construction is not a good place to be right now. For everyone making 100K+ in construction, there are a ton of people who make crap wages. At least that is how it is in the U.S. Maybe Manzano does skilled labor and is paid well. I don't know. I am sure that Valverde could be quite persuasive. Until recently he supposedly had the highest salary in cycling.

I don't think any payment woudl be made by check. That dramaticly increases the buying power of the money, assuming the bribee does not pay taxes on the bribe. Piti could probably ask Armstrong for advice about how to pass the money along.

I guess there is a reason why Piti is doing the TDU after all.
 
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Spanish media are reporting the CAS has decided not to ban Valverde worldwide but recognizes CONI's authority to ban Valverde in Italy.

This doesn't sound right at all for the simple fact that the hearing isn't even over yet. Manzano is to be heard today and it'll continue tomorrow.
 
issoisso said:
Spanish media are reporting the CAS has decided not to ban Valverde worldwide but recognizes CONI's authority to ban Valverde in Italy.

This doesn't sound right at all for the simple fact that the hearing isn't even over yet. Manzano is to be heard today and it'll continue tomorrow.

Since there is nothing written issued by the CAS and most of the public information seems to come from Valverde's attorney, it is hard to know what is going on.

I think that what may have happened is that the CAS ruled that the UCI/WADA cannot automatically adopt the CONI suspension, however they may conduct their own investigations which could lead to a ban.

One of the Spanish sites, as.com, indicated that this may be the case.

However, at this point I am not going to commit myself one way or the other as to what actually transpired.

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Susan Westemeyer said:
I think that what may have happened is that the CAS ruled that the UCI/WADA cannot automatically adopt the CONI suspension, however they may conduct their own investigations which could lead to a ban.

Good, if that is the case. National organizations outside of one's country shouldn't be allowed to dictate whether they can ride or not anywhere in the world IMO. Talk about a slippery slope.
 
Susan Westemeyer said:
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I think that what may have happened is that the CAS ruled that the UCI/WADA cannot automatically adopt the CONI suspension, however they may conduct their own investigations which could lead to a ban.

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Thanks for the info Susan.

How is the UCI going to pursue an investigation? Are they going to ask CONI for a sample of some of Valverde's blood? This seems unlikely. Now with Operacion Puerto officially closed this looks like Valverde is going to ride the next Tour de France