Variation on UCI WorldTour Team rankings...

[SetonHallPirate]

Team standings through Tour de France:

1. Sky, 1382
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 1091
3. Katusha, 1062
4. Movistar, 981
5. Astana, 949
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 732
7. BMC, 667
8. Garmin-Sharp, 609
9. Rabobank, 587
10. Ag2r, 548
11. Liquigas-Cannondale, 472
12. Lampre-ISD, 373
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 340
14. Europcar, 310
15. Saur-Sojasun, 280
16. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 271
17. FDJ-Big Mat, 236
18. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 205
19. Lotto-Belisol, 188
20. Orica-GreenEDGE, 186
21. Colnago-CSF Inox, 129
22. Farnese Vini-Selle Italia, 82
23. Argos-Shimano, 80
24. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 42
25. Cofidis, 33
26. NetApp, 21
27. Type 1-Sanofi, 12
28. Acqua & Sapone, 11
29. Andalucia, 2

 

[JibberJim]

Total Points earned during Tour de France (includes points for final team classification):

1. Sky, 376
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 356

I don't think that's a very good reflection on reality.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

I don't think that's a very good reflection on reality.

I'm confused as to what you're trying to say...

 

[JibberJim]

I'm confused as to what you're trying to say...

That there's no way that Radioshack were the 2nd best team in the tour, almost as good as Sky, so the rankings suffer a problem. Presumably over valuing the team competition that wasn't really cared about by any other team.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Tour Stage 1 Top 5:

1. BMC, 33
2. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 46
3. Garmin-Sharp, 55
4. Sky, 61
5. FDJ-Big Mat, 62

 

[Richeypen]

Even ignoring Radioshack nearly beating Sky these scores are hilarious:

Total Points earned during Tour de France (includes points for final team classification):

2. Radioshack-Nissan, (1 stage win, 6th on GC) 356

6. Lotto-Belisol, (3 stage wins, 4th on GC) 124

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Even ignoring Radioshack nearly beating Sky these scores are hilarious:

Did you happen to notice that Radioshack-Nissan won the team classification? It's based on two things: team classification on each stage (adding up the place finishers of the first three riders on each stage for each team), and overall team classification. Of course it's going to come up with a different result than a simple "which individual finished first, second, fifteenth, etc." ranking. The idea is to reward team depth.

 

[Richeypen]

Did you happen to notice that Radioshack-Nissan won the team classification? It's based on two things: team classification on each stage (adding up the place finishers of the first three riders on each stage for each team), and overall team classification. Of course it's going to come up with a different result than a simple "which individual finished first, second, fifteenth, etc." ranking. The idea is to reward team depth.

Thats all very nice but it is pointless. Cycling isnt about 'team depth', its about winning. Its like making a ranking in football based on shots on goal.

Radioshack were the the biggest failures for me at the tour this year. They were the one team with multiple riders within a dangerous distance of yellow, yet rather than sending rider after rider up the road to put pressure on Sky, they sat back content with taking 6th, 11th, 13th & 16th on GC. Your ranking rewards them for that and that is just plain wrong.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

All this does is rank teams by a coincidental event that they do not target. No team has gone into Eneco thinking it better to get 15th, 25th and 46th, rather than 1st, 10th and 76th with the points jersey.

The scoring system that you are using is used in the Tour Series (UK criteriums in June). Teams in that tournament therefore set their tactics about that set of goals, and it makes an interesting set of races. But what you are going here is no more valid than applying GC times to the Tour series. Which no-one seeks to do, because the peloton in that event rides in the awareness that time gaps are irrelevant.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Points scoring for Stage 2 of Eneco runs evenly, of course, with the team time trial results, with Orica-GreenEDGE, Omega Pharma-Quickstep, Katusha, Rabobank, and Liquigas-Cannondale making out the top five.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Stage 3:

1. Katusha, 58
2. Rabobank, 61
3. Orica-GreenEDGE, 61
4. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 65
5. FDJ-Big Mat, 65

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Stage 4:

1. Orica-GreenEDGE, 38
2. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 45
3. Rabobank, 60
4. Vacansoleil-DCM, 63
5. Argos-Shimano, 69

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Stage 5:

1. FDJ-Big Mat, 51
2. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 51
3. Orica-GreenEDGE, 57
4. Movistar, 59
5. Rabobank, 65

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Stage 6:

1. Orica-GreenEDGE, 18
2. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 38
3. BMC, 50
4. Vacansoleil-DCM, 53
5. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 56

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Eneco Stage 7:

1. Radioshack-Nissan, 33
2. Movistar, 35
3. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 40
4. BMC, 45
5. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 48

Overall:

1. Omega Pharma-Quickstep
2. Orica-GreenEDGE, :03
3. Radioshack-Nissan, :46
4. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 1:17
5. BMC, 1:33
6. Movistar, 1:39
7. Katusha, 3:18
8. Lampre-ISD, 4:00
9. Vacansoleil-DCM, 4:28
10. Garmin-Sharp, 4:48

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Points scored during Eneco Tour:

1. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 115
2. Orica-GreenEDGE, 102
3. Radioshack-Nissan, 76
4. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 62
5. BMC, 59
6. Movistar, 45
7. Katusha, 38
8. Lampre-ISD, 20
9. Vacansoleil-DCM, 12
10t. FDJ-Big Mat, 8
10t. Rabobank, 8
10t. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 8
13. Garmin-Sharp, 6
14t. Argos-Shimano, 1
14t. Liquigas-Cannondale, 1
14t. Sky, 1

Overall Standings after Eneco Tour:

1. Sky, 1383
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 1167
3. Katusha, 1100
4. Movistar, 1026
5. Astana, 949
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 847
7. BMC, 726
8. Garmin-Sharp, 615
9. Rabobank, 595
10. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 548
11. Liquigas-Cannondale, 473
12. Lampre-ISD, 393
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 352
14. Europcar, 310
15. Orica-GreenEDGE, 288
16. Saur-Sojasun, 280
17. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 271
18. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 267
19. FDJ-Big Mat, 244
20. Lotto-Belisol, 188
21. Colnago-CSF Inox, 129
22. Farnese Vini-Selle Italia, 82
23. Argos-Shimano, 81
24. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 42
25. Cofidis, 33
26. NetApp, 21
27. Type 1-Sanofi, 12
28. Acqua & Sapone, 11
29. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 8
30. Andalucia, 2

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Clasica San Sebastian:

1. Rabobank, 33
2. Garmin-Sharp, 34
3. Katusha, 40
4. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 43
5. Sky, 66
6. Orica-GreenEDGE, 68
7. Lotto-Belisol, 78
8. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 78
9. BMC, 79
10. Liquigas-Cannondale, 85

Overall Standings after Clasica San Sebastian:

1. Sky, 1413
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 1167
3. Katusha, 1150
4. Movistar, 1026
5. Astana, 949
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 847
7. BMC, 732
8t. Garmin-Sharp, 675
8t. Rabobank, 675
10. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 548
11. Liquigas-Cannondale, 475
12. Lampre-ISD, 393
13. Vacansoleil-DCM, 352
14t. Europcar, 310
14t. Orica-GreenEDGE, 310
16. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 307
17. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 281
18. Saur-Sojasun, 280
19. FDJ-Big Mat, 244
20. Lotto-Belisol, 202
21. Colnago-CSF Inox, 129
22. Farnese Vini-Selle Italia, 82
23. Argos-Shimano, 81
24. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 42
25. Cofidis, 33
26. NetApp, 21
27. Type 1-Sanofi, 12
28. Acqua & Sapone, 11
29. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 8
30. Andalucia, 2

Trivia: Champion System, Rusvelo, and UnitedHealthCare are the only Professional Continental teams who have yet to have been invited to a UCI WorldTour race, to our knowledge. (presumably Champion System will be invited to Beijing and Hangzhou, however)

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Vuelta Stage 1 (I won't list the time gaps, they are way too easy to look up):

1. Movistar
2. Rabobank
3. Omega Pharma-Quickstep
4. BMC
5. Sky

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Vattenfall Cyclassics:

1. Lampre-ISD, 47
2. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 58
3. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 72
4. Radioshack-Nissan, 73
5. Movistar, 77
6. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 81
7. FDJ-Big Mat, 82
8. BMC, 90
9. Sky, 94
10. Astana, 95

Rankings through Vattenfall Cyclassics (Vuelta results not included):

1. Sky, 1419
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 1207
3. Katusha, 1150
4. Movistar, 1056
5. Astana, 951
6. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 897
7. BMC, 742
8t. Garmin-Sharp, 675
8t. Rabobank, 675
10. Ag2r La Mondiale, 548
11. Liquigas-Cannondale, 475
12. Lampre-ISD, 473
13. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 367
14. Vacansoleil-DCM, 352
15t. Europcar, 310
15t. Orica-GreenEDGE, 310
17. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 303
18. Saur-Sojasun, 280
19. FDJ-Big Mat, 258
20. Lotto-Belisol, 202
21. Colnago-CSF Inox, 129
22. Farnese Vini-Selle Italia, 82
23. Argos-Shimano, 81
24. Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, 42
25. Cofidis, 33
26. NetApp, 21
27. Type 1-Sanofi, 12
28. Acqua & Sapone, 11
29. Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator, 8
30. Andalucia, 2

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Vuelta a Espana Stage 2:

1. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 63
2. Lotto-Belisol, 64
3. Astana, 74
4. Ag2r La Mondiale, 75
5. Garmin-Sharp, 87

 

[Tigerion]

Did you happen to notice that Radioshack-Nissan won the team classification? It's based on two things: team classification on each stage (adding up the place finishers of the first three riders on each stage for each team), and overall team classification. Of course it's going to come up with a different result than a simple "which individual finished first, second, fifteenth, etc." ranking. The idea is to reward team depth.

Isn't that double dipping? You are giving points for the act that makes up the team classification as well as points for the standing in the classification.
Is there also no benefit as far as your ranking go to actually winning an event?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Isn't that double dipping? You are giving points for the act that makes up the team classification as well as points for the standing in the classification.
Is there also no benefit as far as your ranking go to actually winning an event?

It's not double-dipping at all, because I'm adding the placings of the top three finishers on each team to determine the rankings for each stage (and one-day race rankings), and the times of the top three finishers on each team on each stage to determine the overall rankings for stage races. Notice that Team Sky finished behind Radioshack-Nissan in the overall teams classification (earning Radioshack 200 points, and Sky 150), yet earned more points due to the fact that they earned more points on stages (Sky earned 226 points on stages, Radioshack 156).

You'd be correct in that there is no benefit as far as my rankings go to an individual winning an event, aside from the placings and timings earned by that rider towards the teams classifications for each individual stage. The only exception to this rule, naturally, is a team time trial, where the winning team naturally earns first place points for the stage.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Vuelta Stage 3:

1. Movistar, 31
2. Rabobank, 32
3. Sky, 36
4. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 55
5. Katusha, 56

 

[SetonHallPirate]

I figure just to make it easier to see without digging through things, I ought to list the team standings in progress...here it is through Stage 3:

1. Movistar
2. Sky, :09
3. Rabobank, :13
4. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 1:15
5. Katusha, 1:17
6. Lampre-ISD, 2:19
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 2:20
8. Astana, 2:46
9. Vacansoleil-DCM, 3:31
10. Radioshack-Nissan, 4:14
11. Caja Rural, 4:17
12. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 5:42
13. Cofidis, 5:45
14. Liquigas-Cannondale, 5:48
15. Garmin-Sharp, 5:55
16. BMC, 6:49
17. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 7:32
18. FDJ-Big Mat, 9:10
19. Lotto-Belisol, 9:41
20. Andalucia, 10:06
21. Argos-Shimano, 10:55
22. Orica-GreenEDGE, 20:13

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Vuelta Stage 4:

1. Astana, 31
2. Radioshack-Nissan, 33
3. Rabobank, 38
4. Lampre-ISD, 52
5. Caja Rural, 62 (Caja Rural's first points of the season)

Overall team standings through Stage 4:

1. Rabobank
2. Sky, :03
3. Astana, 1:55
4. Katusha, 2:04
5. Lampre-ISD, 2:13
6. Euskaltel-Euskadi, 2:39
7. Ag2r-La Mondiale, 3:00
8. Movistar, 3:38
9. Radioshack-Nissan, 4:01
10. Caja Rural, 4:57
11. Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, 6:31
12. Vacansoleil-DCM, 7:31
13. Omega Pharma-Quickstep, 10:39
14. Cofidis, 12:23
15. Lotto-Belisol, 15:24
16. Andalucia, 16:02
17. Garmin-Sharp, 16:05
18. Argos-Shimano, 20:22
19. BMC, 21:20
20. Liquigas-Cannondale, 23:25
21. FDJ-Big Mat, 24:11
22. Orica-GreenEDGE, 43:59