Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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In the windiest part of the last ramp Nibali was alone while the rest of the contenders were behind him in a group of at least 5 guys.

Incredible how Kelderman (I think) chose to offer those behind him shelter. I just don't understand stuff like this.

Dude, how thick are you. Kelderman was trying to close the gap, not to 'offer shelter'. Jeesj, they were going full

 

[PremierAndrew]

Lol, criticise a dutch rider at your peril

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I have no issue with fair critics, I even criticise them half of the time. But say dumb *** and I'm going to reply obviously.

 

[Jagartrott]

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In the windiest part of the last ramp Nibali was alone while the rest of the contenders were behind him in a group of at least 5 guys.

Incredible how Kelderman (I think) chose to offer those behind him shelter. I just don't understand stuff like this.

Dude, how thick are you. Kelderman was trying to close the gap, not to 'offer shelter'. Jeesj, they were going full

Who exactly is thick?
If there is a crosswind, you don't ride in the middle of the road, you ride at the side to minimize shelter for the rest. Before you insult someone, try to think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgU_9MHTKHg
Minute 21:40 and on.
No thanks.

 

[huge]

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Brother Antonio 40th today

I don't think he is as bad as some comments would suggest.

Did he get a place in the team because of his brother? Sure thing he did.
That said, he still is very young, just 24, and just turned pro. I really don't see what else to expect from him at the moment.

There are 200 riders in the pro peloton and he is far from the worst of them.
No need to say that this is his first Gran Tour.

Only time will say if he is a decent rider or not (nothing like Vincenzo, but I think he is).
To judge him now it's highly unfair.

 

[Eagle]

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Brother Antonio 40th today

I don't think he is as bad as some comments would suggest.

Did he get a place in the team because of his brother? Sure thing he did.
That said, he still is very young, just 24, and just turned pro. I really don't see what else to expect from him at the moment.

There are 200 riders in the pro peloton and he is far from the worst of them.
No need to say that this is his first Gran Tour.

Only time will say if he is a decent rider or not (nothing like Vincenzo, but I think he is).
To judge him now it's highly unfair.

Surely today showed he fully deserves his place on the team and that he is a decent rider? He took 30-40 seconds out of the break in his time on the front of the peloton

 

[Valv.Piti]

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In the windiest part of the last ramp Nibali was alone while the rest of the contenders were behind him in a group of at least 5 guys.

Incredible how Kelderman (I think) chose to offer those behind him shelter. I just don't understand stuff like this.

Dude, how thick are you. Kelderman was trying to close the gap, not to 'offer shelter'. Jeesj, they were going full

Who exactly is thick?
If there is a crosswind, you don't ride in the middle of the road, you ride at the side to minimize shelter for the rest. Before you insult someone, try to think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgU_9MHTKHg
Minute 21:40 and on.
No thanks.

I thought about that as well watching it, it was very weird. Meanwhile, Froomey was riding as far right as possible and shelled Bert a few moments later obviously. Especially surprising since he is Dutch

 

[Kwibus]

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In the windiest part of the last ramp Nibali was alone while the rest of the contenders were behind him in a group of at least 5 guys.

Incredible how Kelderman (I think) chose to offer those behind him shelter. I just don't understand stuff like this.

Dude, how thick are you. Kelderman was trying to close the gap, not to 'offer shelter'. Jeesj, they were going full

Dude, jagar is right.
Hard sidewind and kelderman rides not too the far side of the road. He gave shelter to Lopez for a very long time. It was annoyig as hell to watch.

 

[Gigs_98]

Todays stage reminded me of how important it is for the sport that some of the upcoming gc riders will have the mentality of Nibali or Contador. Without the two (in todays case especially Nibali) this stage probably would have been extremely boring and Contador will retire after the Vuelta and I doubt Nibali will ride gt's as a leader for many more years. I don't want to sound grumpy but the current generation of under 30 year old gc riders is just really disappointing.

 

[portugal11]

Todays stage reminded me of how important it is for the sport that some of the upcoming gc riders will have the mentality of Nibali or Contador. Without the two (in todays case especially Nibali) this stage probably would have been extremely boring and Contador will retire after the Vuelta and I doubt Nibali will ride gt's as a leader for many more years. I don't want to sound grumpy but the current generation of under 30 year old gc riders is just really disappointing.

Great post giggs. I always have high hopes on bardet and aru but this duo disappointed me so much in the tour. Dumoulin looks like the indurain of this decade. Cycling is walking to a dark hole. I'm getting depressed
Edit: even the most brilliant young rider in the world is going to sky

 

[Brullnux]

Classics are better anyway.

I'm not sure about Bardet but Aru didn't attack mainly because he just didn't have the legs. Bardet was scared and only did his 1-2km digs. Quintana is still young and showed some fight at the Giro, perhaps his future battles with Dumoulin will be great to watch

 

[portugal11]

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Classics are better anyway.

I'm not sure about Bardet but Aru didn't attack mainly because he just didn't have the legs. Bardet was scared and only did his 1-2km digs. Quintana is still young and showed some fight at the Giro, perhaps his future battles with Dumoulin will be great to watch

Aru had the legs in peyragudes and he waited for an uphill sprint

 

[Tonton]

Todays stage reminded me of how important it is for the sport that some of the upcoming gc riders will have the mentality of Nibali or Contador. Without the two (in todays case especially Nibali) this stage probably would have been extremely boring and Contador will retire after the Vuelta and I doubt Nibali will ride gt's as a leader for many more years. I don't want to sound grumpy but the current generation of under 30 year old gc riders is just really disappointing.

Great post giggs. I always have high hopes on bardet and aru but this duo disappointed me so much in the tour. Dumoulin looks like the indurain of this decade. Cycling is walking to a dark hole. I'm getting depressed
Edit: even the most brilliant young rider in the world is going to sky

I told you many times, portugal11: there's still room on the Tibopino bandwagon .

Now with regards to Il Squalo, he's pretty much at the same level as he was at Il Giro...not too good week 1, better week 2, he's still reasonably close to Froome. Both he and Contador, unlike Bardet and Aru, are willing to put it all on the line, lose it all or win big.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

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Classics are better anyway.

I'm not sure about Bardet but Aru didn't attack mainly because he just didn't have the legs. Bardet was scared and only did his 1-2km digs. Quintana is still young and showed some fight at the Giro, perhaps his future battles with Dumoulin will be great to watch

Aru had the legs in peyragudes and he waited for an uphill sprint

I might be optimistic, but I have high hopes for an unleashed Landa in the years to come with a strong team backing him

 

[Rollthedice]

Aru attacks when he has the legs, something that happens rather rarely in the past two years. To be honest I don't know why he's in the Vuelta, he'll just get his *** kicked by Nibs in this fantasy rivalry fuelled by the Italian press.

 

[Tonton]

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Classics are better anyway.

I'm not sure about Bardet but Aru didn't attack mainly because he just didn't have the legs. Bardet was scared and only did his 1-2km digs. Quintana is still young and showed some fight at the Giro, perhaps his future battles with Dumoulin will be great to watch

Aru had the legs in peyragudes and he waited for an uphill sprint

I might be optimistic, but I have high hopes for an unleashed Landa in the years to come with a strong team backing him

I have high hopes for an unleashed Pinot to compete against him . But I agree: Landa is a fantastic rider. I was happy that Bardet kept his podium spot, but it was bitter-sweet. Landa was the second best rider in Le Tour.

 

[Tonton]

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Aru attacks when he has the legs, something that happens rather rarely in the past two years. To be honest I don't know why he's in the Vuelta, he'll just get his *** kicked by Nibs in this fantasy rivalry fuelled by the Italian press.

Well, imagine what Bardet is taking in l'Equipe. His fans bashed Pinot during Le Tour, now for Pinot fans, it's pay-back time. Not very smart, but that's what the press does...build and fuel rivalries, real or not. It sells.

The Aru-Nibali rivalry thing was way premature. Vincenzo still is much better than Fabio. Nibbles letter made me laugh so much. "I love you and hope you make it to Il Giro", yeah, so I can kick your ***. Three months go by, and it's happening. Reality check for Aru.

 

[Gigs_98]

Tbf nibali doesn't have the tour in his legs. I think if aru and nibali ride against each other in a gt after they both had a perfect preparation their levels would be quite similar.

 

[portugal11]

There isn't really a true rivalry in cycling (bar greg vs sagan). Bardet is a better gt rider compared to pinot. Nibali is better than aru too. Froome is winning gt's very easily, valverde kills the ardennes. Huh...

 

[Rollthedice]

Tbf nibali doesn't have the tour in his legs. I think if aru and nibali ride against each other in a gt after they both had a perfect preparation their levels would be quite similar.

Well, I don't think so.

 

[SafeBet]

The thing about the rivarly between Aru and Nibali is that is pure press BS. They get along very well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Aru ends up helping Nibali during the Vuelta.

I've never been a big Aru fan, but I think he's a hell of a fighter. He's not and probably never be on Nibali's level because he's not as skilled. His only real weapon is climbing while Nibali can win a race in so many different ways.

Back to the Vuelta, I reckon Nibali's level is very similar to the one he showed during the Giro. He excels in very hard stages, even better if ridden in tough weather conditions. Give him three consecutive HC climbs at high altitude and I'd bet on him against every other rider in the world. But there aren't many hard stages left and he failed to gain any time yesterday. So beating Froome seems unlikely to me.

The good thing is that many riders with a rising shape needs to attack if they want to get on the podium (Zakarin, Kelderman, Lopez) and there's always Contador. Attacks will come, I think, even far from the finish. Nibali needs to be very attentive and follow the right moves.

 

[Climbing]

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The thing about the rivarly between Aru and Nibali is that is pure press BS. They get along very well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Aru ends up helping Nibali during the Vuelta.

I've never been a big Aru fan, but I think he's a hell of a fighter. He's not and probably never be on Nibali's level because he's not as skilled. His only real weapon is climbing while Nibali can win a race in so many different ways.

Back to the Vuelta, I reckon Nibali's level is very similar to the one he showed during the Giro. He excels in very hard stages, even better if ridden in tough weather conditions. Give him three consecutive HC climbs at high altitude and I'd bet on him against every other rider in the world. But there aren't many hard stages left and he failed to gain any time yesterday. So beating Froome seems unlikely to me.

The good thing is that many riders with a rising shape needs to attack if they want to get on the podium (Zakarin, Kelderman, Lopez) and there's always Contador. Attacks will come, I think, even far from the finish. Nibali needs to be very attentive and follow the right moves.

Everything true, but if Froome doesn't start to fade, it's mission impossible.
He should though.

 

[Matteo.]

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The thing about the rivarly between Aru and Nibali is that is pure press BS. They get along very well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Aru ends up helping Nibali during the Vuelta.

I've never been a big Aru fan, but I think he's a hell of a fighter. He's not and probably never be on Nibali's level because he's not as skilled. His only real weapon is climbing while Nibali can win a race in so many different ways.

Back to the Vuelta, I reckon Nibali's level is very similar to the one he showed during the Giro. He excels in very hard stages, even better if ridden in tough weather conditions. Give him three consecutive HC climbs at high altitude and I'd bet on him against every other rider in the world. But there aren't many hard stages left and he failed to gain any time yesterday. So beating Froome seems unlikely to me.

The good thing is that many riders with a rising shape needs to attack if they want to get on the podium (Zakarin, Kelderman, Lopez) and there's always Contador. Attacks will come, I think, even far from the finish. Nibali needs to be very attentive and follow the right moves.

Everything true, but if Froome doesn't start to fade, it's mission impossible.
He should though.

right. his only hope is that froome fades, and hard. Because time is ticking and the last week is not so favorable

 

[TourOfSardinia]

right. his only hope is that froome fades, and hard. Because time is ticking and the last week is not so favorable

Why shouldn't froome fade?
He's only human isn't he

 

[whittashau]

Have Bahrain bought Nibs any decent mountain doms for next season yet?