Zama_Olyas said:I do not think he will be a factor at all at LBL...today was a weak a$$ show.
Red Rick said:Nibali never had the top climbing days in 2017 that he showed in 2016 and 2015, but hit his highest level in the autumn classics. I think he can do better in 2018.Rollthedice said:Red Rick said:Nibali simply needs to hit a slightly better shape than in in 2017.
In Le Tour? Vuelta 2017 shape is good enough to challenge for the win and maybe is the best he can for a GT. I think there will be other factors in play for him in order to finish in yellow, the TTT being one.
If he's as good as in 2017 he needs to be lucky to win. If he's better he needs to be unlucky to lose.
The one thing that could go horribly wrong is the TTT and the first week.
Well, they have some good roulers for the TTT, Ion, Gorka, Mohoric (altough i don't know if he riders Le Tour), Haussler, himself and maybe Navardauskas.Krokro said:Red Rick said:Nibali never had the top climbing days in 2017 that he showed in 2016 and 2015, but hit his highest level in the autumn classics. I think he can do better in 2018.Rollthedice said:Red Rick said:Nibali simply needs to hit a slightly better shape than in in 2017.
In Le Tour? Vuelta 2017 shape is good enough to challenge for the win and maybe is the best he can for a GT. I think there will be other factors in play for him in order to finish in yellow, the TTT being one.
If he's as good as in 2017 he needs to be lucky to win. If he's better he needs to be unlucky to lose.
The one thing that could go horribly wrong is the TTT and the first week.
Agreed for the TTT, it's really a weak point. He's gonna get destroyed by Sky and BMC.
But after 2014 epic cobbled stage and his great performance at RVV, depending on the team around him, this stage could gain him some time.
Laplaz said:Well, they have some good roulers for the TTT, Ion, Gorka, Mohoric (altough i don't know if he riders Le Tour), Haussler, himself and maybe Navardauskas.Krokro said:Red Rick said:Nibali never had the top climbing days in 2017 that he showed in 2016 and 2015, but hit his highest level in the autumn classics. I think he can do better in 2018.Rollthedice said:Red Rick said:Nibali simply needs to hit a slightly better shape than in in 2017.
In Le Tour? Vuelta 2017 shape is good enough to challenge for the win and maybe is the best he can for a GT. I think there will be other factors in play for him in order to finish in yellow, the TTT being one.
If he's as good as in 2017 he needs to be lucky to win. If he's better he needs to be unlucky to lose.
The one thing that could go horribly wrong is the TTT and the first week.
Agreed for the TTT, it's really a weak point. He's gonna get destroyed by Sky and BMC.
But after 2014 epic cobbled stage and his great performance at RVV, depending on the team around him, this stage could gain him some time.
Krokro said:That's right, but I'm not sure that all of them will be on the TDF team. Currently they announce: Koren, Izagirre bros and Pozzovivo alongside Nibbles. They might add Navardauskas/Sivtsov/Pelizotti to this roster, but it's only speculation.
Plus I'm not sure if Haussler is a good fit. Why not about Mohoric.
At the end of the day, it's not terrible but, compared to BMC/Sky, he will eventually lose time. Not sure about Mitchelton/Sunweb/QS rosters, but even against them they might struggle for real.
Rollthedice said:Krokro said:That's right, but I'm not sure that all of them will be on the TDF team. Currently they announce: Koren, Izagirre bros and Pozzovivo alongside Nibbles. They might add Navardauskas/Sivtsov/Pelizotti to this roster, but it's only speculation.
Plus I'm not sure if Haussler is a good fit. Why not about Mohoric.
At the end of the day, it's not terrible but, compared to BMC/Sky, he will eventually lose time. Not sure about Mitchelton/Sunweb/QS rosters, but even against them they might struggle for real.
In the grand scheme of things most probably Froome will not ride and Thomas will find a way to disappear in one important stage or crash. Richie, if he stays on his bike will loose all he has in the TTT on the cobbles and descents. The most dangerous is Movistar but it'll be fun to watch the three amigos riding through France in July.
Climbing said:It's clear he means that he will lose all the time gained in the TTT on the cobbles and descents.
I don't think its depends that much on if he will ride or not, he has the Giro in the legs and its a pretty good and varied route with Nibali, Movistar, (Porte) and (Bardet) all lining up at their peak or very close to. Im very confident we will have a good race contrary to last year, I see at least a 2010-race (which tbh has been the best Tour recently).Gigs_98 said:Yeah, Porte vs Nibali could be a fun duel as soon as the road goes downhill![]()
Actually, the longer I think about it the more I'm looking forward to July. This tour could actually be really good if froome is banned
Valv.Piti said:I don't think its depends that much on if he will ride or not, he has the Giro in the legs and its a pretty good and varied route with Nibali, Movistar, (Porte) and (Bardet) all lining up at their peak or very close to. Im very confident we will have a good race contrary to last year, I see at least a 2010-race (which tbh has been the best Tour recently).Gigs_98 said:Yeah, Porte vs Nibali could be a fun duel as soon as the road goes downhill![]()
Actually, the longer I think about it the more I'm looking forward to July. This tour could actually be really good if froome is banned
Quote me all you like, would be happy to be proven wrong.Krokro said:Zama_Olyas said:I do not think he will be a factor at all at LBL...today was a weak a$$ show.
Can't wait to quote you again when he will win LBL. How on earth was it that weak?
That guy is a pure tactical genius. He hasn't won this but he bears a huge responsibility onto Valverde loss. Just for this, he deserves a huge amount of respect. He is (one of the guys) that made this FW awesome. Not only because Bala winning streak ended, but just because the entire scenario has been different for once.
That's why the shark is one of my favorite rider: unpredictable, tactical assassin and always on the offense. A pure rider with guts that can master various terrains and races.
Hope he gets this.
Red Rick said:This Tour is the Tour that is the least dependent on if Froome shows up in a very long time.
Contador won no GTs after what Astana did to him at the Giro of 2015![]()
20 seconds will do. Ans is not the Mur De Huy, Caruso almost hung on with 9 seconds.EroicaStradeBianche said:Hour after hour I'm getting more convinced that he'll be very good tomorrow. Victory? He have to drop everybody and arrive with at least 30 seconds on the chasers at the foot of Ans, won't be easy, almost impossible I would say. But I'm pretty sure that he'll try something and be a major factor in the race.
I really need Nibali t shirts with at least the quote "Stay tranquillo and ......." in my life.Rollthedice said:Team presentations today, CN report on Nibali here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vincenzo-nibali-it-will-be-a-very-unusual-liege-bastogne-liege/
Vincenzo did speak a bit more, cycling pro net has a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2vk31rL4k
In short, Amstel not too good, Fleche better, tomorrow we’ll see. He wants to race “tranquillo”, “condizione buona”. Does not seem super confident but he is cooking something.
Best part:
Do you think that someone will try a very long range attack?
Nibs with the most poker face available: It’s not excluded
On the same youtube channel, Valverde says they must keep an eye on Nibs and he thinks Vincenzo will attack on Roche
Red Rick said:I really need Nibali t shirts with at least the quote "Stay tranquillo and ......." in my life.