Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

Re:

Giro & TdF? Naah.

If he can follow Slongo's scooter before the TdF on Passo San Pellegrino all should be fine. Thing is he never truly tried this double, it's the first time when the idea is more consistent though it will definitely be all in for the Giro and let's see what happens next.

 

[Ivan_Basso_77]

No one knows whether Vincenzo is capable of delivering in two GTs in a row. Winning the Giro alone will be hard enough. The excitement for next season is definitely building up, though.

 

[Climbing]

It's pointless to go for the Vuelta anyway with that horrible route.
Mini build up for LBL, Giro main focus, Tour stage hunting probably.
Uncertain end of the season...

 

[Salvarani]

Re:

It's pointless to go for the Vuelta anyway with that horrible route.
Mini build up for LBL, Giro main focus, Tour stage hunting probably.
Uncertain end of the season...

Probably the Italian races in the end of the season, but he would need a preparation race at least before that probably. Even though considerable rest is also needed after the two GTs. Depends on how he races the Tour though I guess. GC or stage hunting. Even though it is a big effort either way, after the Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

In 2015 he was good in the fall despite having done almost no racing since the Tour.

 

[Robert5091]

Personally I'd like to see a Giro/Vuelta season. TdF idea is for the sponsors maybe?

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

Personally I'd like to see a Giro/Vuelta season. TdF idea is for the sponsors maybe?

Likely.

I guess they think he could do a decent GC, the Vuelta isn't amazing for him either.

 

[Koronin]

I can't believe I almost forgot to include Nibali's Milan-San Remo win when I started writing my Year in Review article. It's in there now.

 

[Robert5091]

[quote="Robert5091":179bam0g]Personally I'd like to see a Giro/Vuelta season. TdF idea is for the sponsors maybe?

Likely.

I guess they think he could do a decent GC, the Vuelta isn't amazing for him either.[/quote]

With Mohoric & Pozzovivo at the Vuelta, Nibs could do well - especially on the Vuelta's "flat stages"

 

[Tonton]

Giro-Tour... . I hope that the Tour is to please the sponsors and that Vincenzo manages to squeeze himself out of this non-sense.

Nibali can will the Giro. No doubt. Unlike '18, there won't be an extra week to recover, and even then, You could tell that Froome and Dumoulin weren't nearly at 100%.

Bad idea.

 

[Rollthedice]

Giro-Tour... . I hope that the Tour is to please the sponsors and that Vincenzo manages to squeeze himself out of this non-sense.

Nibali can will the Giro. No doubt. Unlike '18, there won't be an extra week to recover, and even then, You could tell that Froome and Dumoulin weren't nearly at 100%.

Bad idea.

Giro is the target, Tour is an afterthought. Most likely to please the sponsors which by some rumours are failing to pay the wages since a few good months which in turn might be the reason Nibali started the idea that he is open to business elsewhere.

On the other hand his performance at the Tour, I think, will depend on whether he wins the Giro or not. If he fails it might be a road to redemption, he is quite capable of surprises when his pride takes a beating. A Tour team with Rohan, Teuns, Caruso, Mohoric, Sonny, Tratnik would do a very good TTT for starters. Who knows?

 

[Rollthedice]

Trek Segafredo?

"Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that Nibali is meeting with the team and their Italian coffee sponsor Segafredo on Monday to discus a two-year contract through 2021. Nibali, 34, will also meet with his current team Bahrain-Merida in the evening about extending his current contract beyond 2019."

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/vincenzo-nibali-linked-trek-segafredo-2020-404162#DhkXR5RhZmQzCgBA.99

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

Apparently nibs hasnt been paid in a timely matter either......hmmmmmmmmm. its also the first time the press writes about not everything going well between nibs and team management.
This doesnt come as a surprise to me after the remarks of that ds during the vuelta. I mean who on earth would think its a good idea to run to the press saying that nibs should shut the *** up when he fears for the rest of his career because they are in contract negotiations with potential sponsors. Doesnt that ds have any respect for its star rider who single handed put the team on the map in its first year? Doesnt he understand how nibs felt in the vuelta and the fear he must have felt that his back wouldnt make a full recovery?


I d like to see him go to trek where they still believe in him no matter his age.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: Re:

If he is facing Simon Yates, Bernal and Dumoulin, he needs to take some risks if he want to win it.

Those guys are likely to outpace him on a MTF. He could have an ally in more aggressive riders like Landa and Bardet.

If Nibbles is in top shape, he can earn all the time he needs on Dumoulin in stages 15 and 16. As strong as Dumoulin may be, Lo Squalo at his best is a better climber than him. IMO, neither Bernal, nor Yates can TT as well as Vincenzo. He has a fair chance of winning this thing.

Nibali 2/3 years ago was a better climber than Dumoulin. However, Dumoulin clearly improved the last 2 years. I doubt Nibali has. I think Dumoulin is better than Nibali on all fronts.

 

[Carols]

Trek is fine with me. I just want him to be happy, healthy and on form for the remainder of his career. Porte can lead the 1 week races where he does well and Vincenzo the classics and GTs.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

If he is facing Simon Yates, Bernal and Dumoulin, he needs to take some risks if he want to win it.

Those guys are likely to outpace him on a MTF. He could have an ally in more aggressive riders like Landa and Bardet.

If Nibbles is in top shape, he can earn all the time he needs on Dumoulin in stages 15 and 16. As strong as Dumoulin may be, Lo Squalo at his best is a better climber than him. IMO, neither Bernal, nor Yates can TT as well as Vincenzo. He has a fair chance of winning this thing.

Nibali 2/3 years ago was a better climber than Dumoulin. However, Dumoulin clearly improved the last 2 years. I doubt Nibali has. I think Dumoulin is better than Nibali on all fronts.

The Tour this year still annoys me cause now we barely know how Nibali was doing. Both Nibali and Quintana were very underwhelming in 2017, but then that's Tom's poopy pants compensated for that.

Nibali was better in that Vuelta but the route suited him so much worse, and the only real top form he hit in the last 2 years was the fall classics of 2017.

Dumoulin was ridiculously consistent this year, but the crazy days like Oropa were definitely lacking. In Dumoulin's case I wonder if he can be at Tour weight while having the same power output, in which case there's not much to be done to be honest.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

If he is facing Simon Yates, Bernal and Dumoulin, he needs to take some risks if he want to win it.

Those guys are likely to outpace him on a MTF. He could have an ally in more aggressive riders like Landa and Bardet.

If Nibbles is in top shape, he can earn all the time he needs on Dumoulin in stages 15 and 16. As strong as Dumoulin may be, Lo Squalo at his best is a better climber than him. IMO, neither Bernal, nor Yates can TT as well as Vincenzo. He has a fair chance of winning this thing.

Nibali 2/3 years ago was a better climber than Dumoulin. However, Dumoulin clearly improved the last 2 years. I doubt Nibali has. I think Dumoulin is better than Nibali on all fronts.

The Tour this year still annoys me cause now we barely know how Nibali was doing. Both Nibali and Quintana were very underwhelming in 2017, but then that's Tom's poopy pants compensated for that.

Nibali was better in that Vuelta but the route suited him so much worse, and the only real top form he hit in the last 2 years was the fall classics of 2017.

Dumoulin was ridiculously consistent this year, but the crazy days like Oropa were definitely lacking. In Dumoulin's case I wonder if he can be at Tour weight while having the same power output, in which case there's not much to be done to be honest.

Yes, very unfortunate we didn't see him in Le Tour. Whatever his top form is these years I think he is still capable to have the edge over Dumoulin in multi mountain hard stages which there are a few in this Giro. That in itself is not enough but race conditions are different from comparing ones ability against the other except if we're talking about TTs where Tom most likely will have over 2 minutes on Nibali.

In the mountains though there are quite a few capable riders so again, the dynamics of the race, the terrain, parcours and weather will decide. I am confident Nibali has a real chance to win the Giro but most likely we'll have no idea about his form until later in the race.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

If he is facing Simon Yates, Bernal and Dumoulin, he needs to take some risks if he want to win it.

Those guys are likely to outpace him on a MTF. He could have an ally in more aggressive riders like Landa and Bardet.

If Nibbles is in top shape, he can earn all the time he needs on Dumoulin in stages 15 and 16. As strong as Dumoulin may be, Lo Squalo at his best is a better climber than him. IMO, neither Bernal, nor Yates can TT as well as Vincenzo. He has a fair chance of winning this thing.

Nibali 2/3 years ago was a better climber than Dumoulin. However, Dumoulin clearly improved the last 2 years. I doubt Nibali has. I think Dumoulin is better than Nibali on all fronts.

The Tour this year still annoys me cause now we barely know how Nibali was doing. Both Nibali and Quintana were very underwhelming in 2017, but then that's Tom's poopy pants compensated for that.

Nibali was better in that Vuelta but the route suited him so much worse, and the only real top form he hit in the last 2 years was the fall classics of 2017.

Dumoulin was ridiculously consistent this year, but the crazy days like Oropa were definitely lacking. In Dumoulin's case I wonder if he can be at Tour weight while having the same power output, in which case there's not much to be done to be honest.

Yes, very unfortunate we didn't see him in Le Tour. Whatever his top form is these years I think he is still capable to have the edge over Dumoulin in multi mountain hard stages which there are a few in this Giro. That in itself is not enough but race conditions are different from comparing ones ability against the other except if we're talking about TTs where Tom most likely will have over 2 minutes on Nibali.

In the mountains though there are quite a few capable riders so again, the dynamics of the race, the terrain, parcours and weather will decide. I am confident Nibali has a real chance to win the Giro but most likely we'll have no idea about his form until later in the race.

With the team Sunweb is bringing, all they're saying is "by all means attack on the Gavia Vincenzo, Tom needs some me-time"

 

[Rollthedice]

Trek Segafredo's offer is clear and Nibali likes it, dudes from Bahrain suddenly trying to improvise something. My take is he'll go with Segafredo, Zanetti wants him, the best Italian rider drinking Italian coffee. Segafredo is contributing 7 million to the team and the deal is until 2020, most likely it will continue for another year if Nibali is signed. Decision around Giro time. Would be fun to see the same situation as in 2016 when Vino and some high ranked Kazakh officials were waiting for Nibs to win the Giro on that last mountain stage and then to propose him the new contract. This time it will Copeland and the prince.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bahrain-merida-offer-nibali-two-year-contract-extension-to-ward-off-trek-segafredo/

 

[Gigs_98]

Nibali would be the most trek signing ever

 

[Rollthedice]

Training camp in Cambrils, interviews. Here for Corriere della Sera. Some interesting bits:

Hungry, Vincenzo?
"Very. The crash at the Tour had caused me bad thoughts. The results at the Worlds and the Tour of Lombardy have driven them out. I'm a new Nibali."

New?
"When you break a vertebra you're not the same as before. You change balance, position in the saddle, the push on the pedals. I worked hard with gymnastics and osteopaths and now I know I can go as strong as before. Or more".

The crash in Le Tour:
"In cycling, the bad moments are there. If it's your fault, like when I made a mistake in Rio, you accept it. Otherwise it is hard.

In the fall he spent a day at the French Gendarmerie to reconstruct the episode:
“We have seen amateur videos from all angles. The fan is perfectly recognizable, but has not been identified. It is clearly seen that he sneaks away after the crash. I don’t have anything with him, but a letter of apology (also anonymous) I would have liked. "

If you didn’t crash?
"What if I had not crashed in Rio?"

We consoled ourselves with his winning move at the Sanremo. For many the most beautiful technical-tactical action of the year.
"It amazes me that so many pointed out to a miracle. The moment of the attack I have chosen on Poggio is the only point where a non-sprinter can go away. I had already tried in 2012 with Gerrans and Cancellara, but I had lost in the sprint.”

Between the Worlds and Olympics, choose one?
"Olympics. It remains with you all your life and the atmosphere is magical ".

This year?
"The Giro to win it, because I love it, because conquering the third would be fantastic. For me, the race of the year. Then the Tour, still giving the maximum."

How do you approach the targets?
"By changing. After so many years I took long vacations: I had to detach. And, on the advice of coach Paolo Slongo, I spent 50 days in the gym. So much work on abdominal and backbones and so much "core stability" to get more balance without swelling muscle mass. No exotic debut in Argentina - where we were pedaling at too low rates - first stage race in Abu Dhabi against Froome, looking for a good rhythm right away."

"We work on materials and on bikes, thanks to the collaboration with McLaren. And pay attention to the team time trial that can be decisive on the Tour. With us now there is Rohan Dennis, the best specialist in the world: he can be our propeller. In the Giro and the Tour I will have different companions for each of the events: only Damiano Caruso will race both."

 

[Sestriere]

I like the way he talks. Optimistic and motivated for the new season. He believes that he can still achieve great things and seems to have accepted what happened in the past. Looking forward to see him racing again!

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

If he is facing Simon Yates, Bernal and Dumoulin, he needs to take some risks if he want to win it.

Those guys are likely to outpace him on a MTF. He could have an ally in more aggressive riders like Landa and Bardet.

If Nibbles is in top shape, he can earn all the time he needs on Dumoulin in stages 15 and 16. As strong as Dumoulin may be, Lo Squalo at his best is a better climber than him. IMO, neither Bernal, nor Yates can TT as well as Vincenzo. He has a fair chance of winning this thing.

Nibali 2/3 years ago was a better climber than Dumoulin. However, Dumoulin clearly improved the last 2 years. I doubt Nibali has. I think Dumoulin is better than Nibali on all fronts.

The Tour this year still annoys me cause now we barely know how Nibali was doing. Both Nibali and Quintana were very underwhelming in 2017, but then that's Tom's poopy pants compensated for that.

Nibali was better in that Vuelta but the route suited him so much worse, and the only real top form he hit in the last 2 years was the fall classics of 2017.

Dumoulin was ridiculously consistent this year, but the crazy days like Oropa were definitely lacking. In Dumoulin's case I wonder if he can be at Tour weight while having the same power output, in which case there's not much to be done to be honest.

Yes, very unfortunate we didn't see him in Le Tour. Whatever his top form is these years I think he is still capable to have the edge over Dumoulin in multi mountain hard stages which there are a few in this Giro. That in itself is not enough but race conditions are different from comparing ones ability against the other except if we're talking about TTs where Tom most likely will have over 2 minutes on Nibali.

In the mountains though there are quite a few capable riders so again, the dynamics of the race, the terrain, parcours and weather will decide. I am confident Nibali has a real chance to win the Giro but most likely we'll have no idea about his form until later in the race.

Nibali is 35 in November and hasn't won a GT for almost three years. I doubt he has the edge over Dumoulin in anything now except maybe in descending and tactics. Porte riding with Nibali a few years ago probably would have helped Porte out skills wise but both of them now are firmly in their autumn years. Porte probably gets two more chances to make a podium, same with Nibali.

 

[Tim Booth]

Re:

Training camp in Cambrils, interviews. Here for Corriere della Sera. Some interesting bits:

Hungry, Vincenzo?
"Very. The crash at the Tour had caused me bad thoughts. The results at the Worlds and the Tour of Lombardy have driven them out. I'm a new Nibali."

New?
"When you break a vertebra you're not the same as before. You change balance, position in the saddle, the push on the pedals. I worked hard with gymnastics and osteopaths and now I know I can go as strong as before. Or more".

The crash in Le Tour:
"In cycling, the bad moments are there. If it's your fault, like when I made a mistake in Rio, you accept it. Otherwise it is hard.

In the fall he spent a day at the French Gendarmerie to reconstruct the episode:
“We have seen amateur videos from all angles. The fan is perfectly recognizable, but has not been identified. It is clearly seen that he sneaks away after the crash. I don’t have anything with him, but a letter of apology (also anonymous) I would have liked. "

If you didn’t crash?
"What if I had not crashed in Rio?"

We consoled ourselves with his winning move at the Sanremo. For many the most beautiful technical-tactical action of the year.
"It amazes me that so many pointed out to a miracle. The moment of the attack I have chosen on Poggio is the only point where a non-sprinter can go away. I had already tried in 2012 with Gerrans and Cancellara, but I had lost in the sprint.”

Between the Worlds and Olympics, choose one?
"Olympics. It remains with you all your life and the atmosphere is magical ".

This year?
"The Giro to win it, because I love it, because conquering the third would be fantastic. For me, the race of the year. Then the Tour, still giving the maximum."

How do you approach the targets?
"By changing. After so many years I took long vacations: I had to detach. And, on the advice of coach Paolo Slongo, I spent 50 days in the gym. So much work on abdominal and backbones and so much "core stability" to get more balance without swelling muscle mass. No exotic debut in Argentina - where we were pedaling at too low rates - first stage race in Abu Dhabi against Froome, looking for a good rhythm right away."

"We work on materials and on bikes, thanks to the collaboration with McLaren. And pay attention to the team time trial that can be decisive on the Tour. With us now there is Rohan Dennis, the best specialist in the world: he can be our propeller. In the Giro and the Tour I will have different companions for each of the events: only Damiano Caruso will race both."

Please respect © RIPRODUZIONE RISERVATA, don't deprive the site of a visit.
Just post the link to the article, I'm sure forum users can all use google translate

 

[Koronin]

Like that he's optimistic. If nothing else it's a good sign.