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Today brought back all the worst memories of schleck/contador at the tour and quintana/froome at the vuelta. I criticised them, so I'll do it here too. He rode well within himself in the stage, but he clearly didn't feel great, otherwise he'd have either not followed Carapaz's attack at all or followed it all the way. It's put roglic under a lot more pressure gc wise, so I guess there was some tactics to it, and if tomorrow goes fantastically then all weill be forgiven, but I wasn't impressed today.
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LMAO he better have the legs to back it up though. I hope those 2 don't throw the race away playing chicken with each other!
Rollthedice said:
LMAO he better have the legs to back it up though. I hope those 2 don't throw the race away playing chicken with each other!
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A 34 year old dropping his palmares to a mid twenties rider is just weirdCinemaniak said:
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Translation could be a factor. Even if not, a bit of antagonism is a good thing in competition. Glad everyone doesn't act like a millennial.
Cinemaniak said:
Translation could be a factor. Even if not, a bit of antagonism is a good thing in competition. Glad everyone doesn't act like a millennial.
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Great comment, but funny at the start of the Giro he was whingeing about Yates’ interview and that riders should respect each other more. :lol:
Pot and kettle Vincenzo, nobody likes a hypocrite.
Rollthedice said:
Great comment, but funny at the start of the Giro he was whingeing about Yates’ interview and that riders should respect each other more. :lol:
Pot and kettle Vincenzo, nobody likes a hypocrite.
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One should take it more as a joke. But saying "jokes" like that didn't end well for at least one of the pre-race favourites... something about sh*tting themselves. They might have. From laughing at the form of the said rider though...
red_flanders said:
One should take it more as a joke. But saying "jokes" like that didn't end well for at least one of the pre-race favourites... something about sh*tting themselves. They might have. From laughing at the form of the said rider though...
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Second day after that, Nibali:
“And then a little bit of pepper in the interviews is never a bad thing.
“I’m not offended by this and it’s a pleasure to know that there’s a leader like that, motivated and a reference point in the group.”
Pricey_sky said:
Second day after that, Nibali:
“And then a little bit of pepper in the interviews is never a bad thing.
“I’m not offended by this and it’s a pleasure to know that there’s a leader like that, motivated and a reference point in the group.”
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Pretty mild comments. No matter what happens I seriously doubt he will regret any of it. They guy is a champion and Roglič hasn't won a GT yet. Bring it on.
bajbar said:
Pretty mild comments. No matter what happens I seriously doubt he will regret any of it. They guy is a champion and Roglič hasn't won a GT yet. Bring it on.
Nibs needs to realise he got nearly 2 mins to make up on Roglic plus the time he will ship in the TT. There's more than those 2 in the race.
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Plenty of really hard stages to come. He has plenty if chances left.
wheresmybrakes said:
Plenty of really hard stages to come. He has plenty if chances left.
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So it's possible to bite your opponent without using embarrassing words a'la Simon Yates?Rollthedice said:
As usual there's more than that explosive headline with Nibali's comments. CN has come up with the full and it's quite interesting:
"He let the gap go to Carapaz and Majka and wanted me to close it and I said: 'Basta! No more!' I told him that if he wants to win the Giro he had to ride," Nibali explained a few minutes after reaching the spectacular finish in the shadow of the Lago Serru dam, surrounded by the snow-covered peaks.
"Roglic is well placed overall but if he continues to ride like that he won't win this Giro. I won't win it too but neither will he."
"When I accelerated and he accelerated, we were more or less the same, there wasn't much between us," Nibali suggested.
"Physically and psychologically I can say our strengths are more or less equal. There wasn't a big difference between us."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-to-roglic-basta-no-more-on-first-giro-ditalia-summit-finish/
"He let the gap go to Carapaz and Majka and wanted me to close it and I said: 'Basta! No more!' I told him that if he wants to win the Giro he had to ride," Nibali explained a few minutes after reaching the spectacular finish in the shadow of the Lago Serru dam, surrounded by the snow-covered peaks.
"Roglic is well placed overall but if he continues to ride like that he won't win this Giro. I won't win it too but neither will he."
"When I accelerated and he accelerated, we were more or less the same, there wasn't much between us," Nibali suggested.
"Physically and psychologically I can say our strengths are more or less equal. There wasn't a big difference between us."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-to-roglic-basta-no-more-on-first-giro-ditalia-summit-finish/
From the article:
Nibali revealed that Roglic never speaks to him but follows him throughout the race.
Giving him the silent treatment :razz:
Nibali revealed that Roglic never speaks to him but follows him throughout the race.
Giving him the silent treatment :razz:
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This is interesting. Not sure how close to being on their limits they were, but I think both Nibali and Roglic rode a solid race tactically. If they were both close to their limit, then they went as well as they could without losing time to each other and still succeeded in limiting some of the damage from Landa, Carapaz, and Zak. Of those three, only Zakarin is now ahead of Nibali on GC . . . but at what price? Ilnur really went deep today, and he might give some of that time back tomorrow. (Either way, he still has the stage victory, no small feat.) If Nibali and Roglic had something left in the tank, then they've saved a bit more for the next stage(s) than Landa and Carapaz, who are still behind Nibali on GC. If Nibali and Roglic still believe that their greatest threat is each other, then they both succeeded in losing no time to their greatest threat today and maybe saved some energy for even more critical stages later on.
Rollthedice said:
This is interesting. Not sure how close to being on their limits they were, but I think both Nibali and Roglic rode a solid race tactically. If they were both close to their limit, then they went as well as they could without losing time to each other and still succeeded in limiting some of the damage from Landa, Carapaz, and Zak. Of those three, only Zakarin is now ahead of Nibali on GC . . . but at what price? Ilnur really went deep today, and he might give some of that time back tomorrow. (Either way, he still has the stage victory, no small feat.) If Nibali and Roglic had something left in the tank, then they've saved a bit more for the next stage(s) than Landa and Carapaz, who are still behind Nibali on GC. If Nibali and Roglic still believe that their greatest threat is each other, then they both succeeded in losing no time to their greatest threat today and maybe saved some energy for even more critical stages later on.
I just watched the final 5km. Nibali looked bad. Took him a while to close that gap on Roglic and after that started riding next to him, exactly what he did with Pinot in Lombardia before being dropped like a bunch of rocks.
Sounds like Nibs is a bit rattled. Wonder what he would do if he was in the same position as Roglic whether he would do as he says or does as Roglic does?
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Only similar situation I can recall from Nibali is that he did all the pacemaking himself. Lagos de Covadonga 2010wheresmybrakes said:
This thread is reminding me more and more of Alberto Contador in the later years. And I love it.
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But do you think Roglic looked better? Did Nibali bluffed as he was ingeniously hiding a bad day by forcing Roglic to work?
Red Rick said:
But do you think Roglic looked better? Did Nibali bluffed as he was ingeniously hiding a bad day by forcing Roglic to work?
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Think Zaka looked the best tbh. May not have been the best idea to give Zaka 3 minutes. If he wins I won't even be mad, I'll just shrug and chuckle.
Nibali and Roglic in s.t. is probably the best for the race though. Think if either had dropped the other that suspense would've been gone.
Still have hopes for mythical 3rd week Nibali.
Nah Roglic didn't look great either.Rollthedice said:
Think Zaka looked the best tbh. May not have been the best idea to give Zaka 3 minutes. If he wins I won't even be mad, I'll just shrug and chuckle.
Nibali and Roglic in s.t. is probably the best for the race though. Think if either had dropped the other that suspense would've been gone.
Still have hopes for mythical 3rd week Nibali.
Nibali fans just should pray for Gavia and let him do the magic there on that stage. I dont think stage 17 (could be proven wrong here) and 19 will matter much and stage 20 is kinda of a weird stage.
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