Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Vino attacks everyone]

Aw Don't worry your list is fine

Vino 06 form >>>> anything ever done by pretty much anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQU50nwyVPs

This would have destroyed any Sky train ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TQdI7csHs

6 hours of the 06 Vuelta

 

[jens_attacks]

Vino 06 form >>>> anything ever done by pretty much anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQU50nwyVPs

This would have destroyed any Sky train ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TQdI7csHs

6 hours of the 06 Vuelta

meh ligget and sherwen....

i have all the stages in russian

when the commentator screams: PASHO VINAKUROV!(vino attacks!) it's such an incredible feeling

 

[phanatic]

best gt performances over the last 10 years
1. Vino 06 Vuelta
2. AC 09 tour
3. Nibali Giro 13
4. AC giro 11
5. Kash Vuelta 06

Happy now people

Edit: Put Ricco 08 Giro in there infront of Kash 06

Basso '06 Giro
Also, Nibali's performance in 2010 was at least as good as in this Giro; just looking at the competition (Evans, Scarponi, Vino, Porte, Wiggins), his third place there impresses like Froome's second at the 2012 Tour.

 

[SafeBet]

Early in the year (San Luis and Oman) I was a bit worried about Nibali. He did look promising in the ITTs, but struggling to sustain his attacks on climbs.
Oman was clearly a race where he wanted to show something. But it's probably true he was far from his peak considering what he's shown in the past few weeks. Back then some said that riders with the Giro as their biggest targets of the season are usually less strong in the first couple of months of the year.

Tirreno on the other hand seems the only race so far where all of them were close to their peaks. Nibbles won it, although I wouldn't say it necessarily proves he's the best stage racer among te three. He was worse than Froome both in the ITT and on the major climb for instance. Furthermore, a one week race is not a three week race, where recovery factors in.

Considering all this, my opinion is that Froome is currently the best stage racer in the world. Nibali and Contador are just a step below, and I wouldn't know who to choose if they were to face each other in a GT.

 

[webvan]

Froome, the best stage racer in the world ? When he's never won a GT? Dunno...I think Contador's being buried a bit too fast around here, I guess we'll soon find out ;-)

 

[SafeBet]

Froome, the best stage racer in the world ? When he's never won a GT? Dunno...I think Contador's being buried a bit too fast around here, I guess we'll soon find out ;-)

I guess we'll have a good battle and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Berto manages to win the race. Still, Froome will enter the Tour as the top favourite.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Early in the year (San Luis and Oman) I was a bit worried about Nibali. He did look promising in the ITTs, but struggling to sustain his attacks on climbs.
Oman was clearly a race where he wanted to show something. But it's probably true he was far from his peak considering what he's shown in the past few weeks. Back then some said that riders with the Giro as their biggest targets of the season are usually less strong in the first couple of months of the year.

Tirreno on the other hand seems the only race so far where all of them were close to their peaks. Nibbles won it, although I wouldn't say it necessarily proves he's the best stage racer among te three. He was worse than Froome both in the ITT and on the major climb for instance. Furthermore, a one week race is not a three week race, where recovery factors in.

Considering all this, my opinion is that Froome is currently the best stage racer in the world. Nibali and Contador are just a step below, and I wouldn't know who to choose if they were to face each other in a GT.

Finally!

This is a very thoughtful reply. Well done.

(I don't think Alberto was close to his peak in TA though. Besides, it seems likely that Nibali was closer to his peak than Froome and Contador because his goal was 2 months earlier)

 

[whittashau]

I think the final ITT in TA showed that Nibbles was still a fair way from his top form. As for Froome, he seems to be turning into a mythical creature around here. When don't know how good he is yet.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

meh ligget and sherwen....

i have all the stages in russian

when the commentator screams: PASHO VINAKUROV!(vino attacks!) it's such an incredible feeling

Kurdyukov is one of the kind. I honestly can't imagine watching cycling without him. I honestly amazed that people can tolerate english commentator mumbling into their microphones like that all stage long.

He also calls to sport director and various other people during the race making live interviews during the race, he had Vino, Katyusha PR dude and Ekimov, Tinkoff and Abdou on the phone many times during this Giro alone.

He's also a cool dude in person. Much thinner and taller than one can imagine from his voice.

PS why are we discussing it in Nibali thread again?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Kurdyukov is one of the kind. I honestly can't imagine watching cycling without him. I honestly amazed that people can tolerate english commentator mumbling into their microphones like that all stage long.

He also calls to sport director and various other people during the race making live interviews during the race, he had Vino, Katyusha PR dude and Ekimov, Tinkoff and Abdou on the phone many times during this Giro alone.

He's also a cool dude in person. Much thinner and taller than one can imagine from his voice.

PS why are we discussing it in Nibali thread again?

Because Nibali =/< VIno

 

[Netserk]

Finally!

This is a very thoughtful reply. Well done.

(I don't think Alberto was close to his peak in TA though. Besides, it seems likely that Nibali was closer to his peak than Froome and Contador because his goal was 2 months earlier)

 

[gregrowlerson]

Haven't read too far back on this thread, so it's possibly been mentioned/suggested, but with the reduced parcours and arguably lack of real serious racing/competition at this years Giro (plus confidence gained from the victory), does anyone reckon that Nibbles should have a serious crack at winning this years TDF? With all the changes it could be argued that the Giro has become more like a two week race; just maybe Vicenso could do well against Froome, Contador, Rodriguez and co?

I think that if he feels good in his recovery during June then he should give it strong consideration.

Congrats to him too on this Giro result. Much deserved.

 

[SafeBet]

Haven't read too far back on this thread, so it's possibly been mentioned/suggested, but with the reduced parcours and arguably lack of real serious racing/competition at this years Giro (plus confidence gained from the victory), does anyone reckon that Nibbles should have a serious crack at winning this years TDF?

No, he should stick to his schedule.
WC on home soil with such a hard route is a once in a lifetime chance.
TdF will be there for years.

 

[ILovecycling]

As for Froome, he seems to be turning into a mythical creature around here. When don't know how good he is yet at GT's.

This,exactly, just fixed a bit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That didn't make any sense to you?

To me it seems like it would have been worrying if Contador and Froome were just as close to their peak as Nibali. "Peaked too early" you know

 

[movingtarget]

No, he should stick to his schedule.
WC on home soil with such a hard route is a once in a lifetime chance.
TdF will be there for years.

I think so but what a shame he could not hit the Tour in this sort of form. After this success he will definitely ride the Tour next year. The worlds course is ideal for him. I think it might be too hard for Gilbert.

 

[Netserk]

That didn't make any sense to you?

To me it seems like it would have been worrying if Contador and Froome were just as close to their peak as Nibali. "Peaked too early" you know

If your big goal is in July, you can easily have a peak in March. If your big goal is in May, then you can't have a real peak any time before May.

It's the same reason why it's easier to peak for Giro+Vuelta than Giro+Tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If your big goal is in July, you can easily have a peak in March. If your big goal is in May, then you can't have a real peak any time before May.

It's the same reason why it's easier to peak for Giro+Vuelta than Giro+Tour.

I don't think Froome and Contador peaked in March. If they did, it was a **** poor peak.

 

[Netserk]

I don't think Froome and Contador peaked in March. If they did, it was a **** poor peak.

Ofc it wasn't their big peak, but a peak nonetheless.

Take Contador in '09 as an example. First peak was in the spring (P-N and VaPV). Big peak was in the Tour.

Or I could rephrase the question: Which year was Berto strongest in the (early) spring. 2011 or 2010?

 

[The Hitch]

Basso '06 Giro
Also, Nibali's performance in 2010 was at least as good as in this Giro; just looking at the competition (Evans, Scarponi, Vino, Porte, Wiggins), his third place there impresses like Froome's second at the 2012 Tour.

Not really. Porte was a 10th rate climber back then. Wiggins maybe 3rd and he was only rolling round in prep for the tour. It was a great performance but not as good as 2013 and certainly not as good as froome 2012.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ofc it wasn't their big peak, but a peak nonetheless.

Take Contador in '09 as an example. First peak was in the spring (P-N and VaPV). Big peak was in the Tour.

Or I could rephrase the question: Which year was Berto strongest in the (early) spring. 2011 or 2010?

And Nibali was building towards his big peak. It was pretty clear Froome and Contador were nowhere near their best. Nibali I don't know. I don't know much about Nibali.

 

[movingtarget]

Not really. Porte was a 10th rate climber back then. Wiggins maybe 3rd and he was only rolling round in prep for the tour. It was a great performance but not as good as 2013 and certainly not as good as froome 2012.

And Evans got sick while Porte got into the big break. Nibali is much more impressive in 2013.

 

[Pentacycle]

If your big goal is in July, you can easily have a peak in March. If your big goal is in May, then you can't have a real peak any time before May.

It's the same reason why it's easier to peak for Giro+Vuelta than Giro+Tour.

Nibali was close to top shape in March. If you're looking for riders who didn't want or weren't able to peak until or during the Giro, mention Evans, Uran, Wiggins and Hesjedal, but definitely not Nibali.

Nibs did the Sky-approach of being at 95% fitness the whole season, and then hit 100% in the most important race.

 

[TANK91]

Ha deluded people here Nibali is nowhere and i repeat nowhere on Froome's level, Froome slaved for Wiggo in France pulling him upclimbs and still stomped all over Nibali he even lost 1min plus for good measure on a flat stage guys. Froome beat him in 4 out of 5 stages in Tirreno. Nibali won the race bye a crazy event. I no Nibali would have won the Giro anyway but please elaborate on what he has done to be one of the best GT performances for years. We have not even had a multi mountain stage in the Giro because of the weather. Nibali as done great no doubt but he is smashing Evans(36) to bits and Sky's domestique who's best GT result is 7th. I just don't get how this is so special. Nibali's MTT was class though. It's just first week was nothing special he just proved he could handle the cold, I din't see no crazy performance in wk1. I mean Gesink even got through week 1 ok. This Giro has been awful for the viewer's, cant be helped but don't stop you feeling that way. Its been lame lame and even more lame. Check the Galibier for the perfect example, why protest when it was fine cycling weather they made it worst because it started snowing later on the Galibier. Giro 2013 worst GT of all time in my expierance as a fan of this great sport.

 

[TANK91]

Nibali was close to top shape in March. If you're looking for riders who didn't want or weren't able to peak until or during the Giro, mention Evans, Uran, Wiggins and Hesjedal, but definitely not Nibali.

Nibs did the Sky-approach of being at 95% fitness the whole season, and then hit 100% in the most important race.

Don't say this to Netserk he will say no one can do 95% all year apart from Sky.