Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Afrank]

I had prepared for that once I'm no longer forced to wear this avatar -.-'

You shouldn't take so many avatar bets. I'll give you one from a different angle.

I like these too,
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[LaFlorecita]

I always wondered why miss Froome blocked you but now I understand her fully.

Comparing San Luis and Oman with the Tirreno, are you friggin kidding?

Do you have a daysjob defending the great Alberto on Twitter/forums?

Little sidenote to put thing into perspective: IF Wiggo hadnt chickened out in the rain 'the great stage racer' Nibali would not have won this Giro. It is like Pantani/Ullrich 1998. One bad day that decided the outcome.

Get your Alberto stuff to the right topic.

Are you really this stupid? Learn to read, please.

 

[cineteq]

Agree 100% with your second paragraph. At the moment I would probably put Contador and Froome ahead of Nibali in terms of who is the best stage racer based on past performance. We need to at least see them all go head-to-head in a GT before declaring that one is definitely better then the other 2.

Cough...cough...Froome ahead of Nibali for past performances???? Recalculate.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Are you really this stupid? Learn to read, please.

Yeah, that must be it missy. Dragging on for pages how much better Alberto with his brown eyes is. Go annoy someone else, please.

 

[Afrank]

Cough...cough...Froome ahead of Nibali for past performances???? Recalculate.

Not far ahead, I think Froome could have had a fairly good chance of beating Nibali had he raced the Giro. But then again, I could definitelly see Nibali beating him too.
I would just put Froome slightly ahead based on the massive improvements he's made, a couple of his performances this season (Oman, Prati di Tivo, etc.) and what he did at the 2012 Tour. But like I said, I don't consider the margin between them to be too big.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah, that must be it missy. Dragging on for pages how much better Alberto with his brown eyes is. Go annoy someone else, please.

You completely misunderstood my post, I guess. My post was about Nibali. I can't understand how people can conclude Nibali is the best stage racer in the world. That was my point.

If you don't want to be annoyed, don't annoy me. Because when I'm annoyed, I can get VERY annoying.

 

[Bushman]

Absolutely, there is no denying that. But come on, he is the best stage racer in the world because he beat Contador and Froome once? And we can just ignore the races in which he got beaten by them? I mean, I could argue that Froome and Contador were in much better shape in Oman than in TA. It's my word against another's, you know.

And because of this ****ed up logic, tdf suddenly has no meaning anymore? If Froome or Contador, or both, crush the tdf, it doesn't count because Nibali wasn't there? Why does it not work the other way round? Why can we not discount Nibali's win because Froome and Contador weren't in the race, then? Ah, I know why. because according to ****ed up logic, Nibali is the best stage racer in the world so he shouldn't have to prove himself against other riders.

**** logic, I guess

I agree that we can't yet conclude that Nibali is the best stage racer in the world. But how can you seriously compare Tirreno with Oman and San Luis? That is even more ridiculous than the logic you are referring to.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Nibali is the best stage racer since Indurain

 

[Netserk]

Nibali is the best stage racer since Indurain

Now you're just teasing LaFlo

 

[LaFlorecita]

I agree that we can't yet conclude that Nibali is the best stage racer in the world. But how can you seriously compare Tirreno with Oman and San Luis? That is even more ridiculous than the logic you are referring to.

I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying that when others can argue that they all were in good shape in TA, I can argue Alberto was in much better shape in TDSL. My point is, that we can't use TA as an argument and ignore the other races altogether.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Now you're just teasing LaFlo

What was I thinking, 2nd best after Vino ofc

 

[Netserk]

What was I thinking, 2nd best after Vino ofc

I still can't believe that he isn't an option in the best sprinter thread

 

[Parrulo]

I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying that when others can argue that they all were in good shape in TA, I can argue Alberto was in much better shape in TDSL. My point is, that we can't use TA as an argument and ignore the other races altogether.

No you can't argue that because it makes to freaking sense.

All 3 were in the best shape possible for Tirreno because tirreno is arguably the most important 1 week race of the year and all 3 were targeting it, none of them peaked for oman or san luis, i can guarantee you that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No you can't argue that because it makes to freaking sense.

All 3 were in the best shape possible for Tirreno because tirreno is arguably the most important 1 week race of the year and all 3 were targeting it, none of them peaked for oman or san luis, i can guarantee you that.

Though, I can guarantee you that, Alberto was stronger in TOO.

It makes no sense to ignore every race in which Nibali got beaten. That seems like cherry picking. And hence, I feel like I am entitled to cherry-pick results as well.

Froome beat Nibali just like Nibali beat Froome. Why is the first ignored? It makes no sense.

 

[Netserk]

Did Nibali target Oman (to get a good result)? No

Did Contador target T-A (to get a good result)? Yes

 

[Afrank]

Both races should be taken into account, but one should be taken into more account then the other.

 

[Netserk]

Both races should be taken into account, but one should be taken into more account then the other.

Should Algarve in '11 also be taken into account when judging Alberto?

 

[cineteq]

Did Nibali target Oman (to get a good result)? No

Did Contador target T-A (to get a good result)? Yes

Poor Fleur, she's running out of arguments....

 

[LaFlorecita]

Both races should be taken into account, but one should be taken into more account then the other.

Afrank, I'm glad there's someone that understands me

Poor Fleur, she's running out of arguments....

I'm using the same argument over and over again because people don't seem to get it. By the way, please don't use my real name to address me. This is just for people I am close with.

 

[cineteq]

By the way, please don't use my real name to address me. This is just for people I am close with.

I'm Canadian, so I'm allow to speak in French too. So I'm not close to you?

 

[tweak37]

tirreno is arguably the most important 1 week race of the year

Whut?

By the way, Froome was better on Prato di Tivo and in the TT. Nibali won it in one quite exceptional stage. A nice victory, but nothing to worry for Froome who proved he was the best climber/TTer. Contador is another story though.

 

[Afrank]

Should Algarve in '11 also be taken into account when judging Alberto?

All result should be taken into some account when looking at a rider, some much more then others, some much less than others.

 

[boladelmundo]

Whut?

He said 'arguably'. It doesn't mean it is the best, but he thinks it is. That's all.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm Canadian, so I'm allow to speak in French too. So I'm not close to you?

No, you're not. I´m sorry

 

[cineteq]

No, you're not. I´m sorry

Yes I am. But are we close or not?