Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[LaFlorecita]

Cosmo is full praise of Nibali's position and bike handling skill while criticizing CF's skill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKLXAcUcBg4

"How the race was won: there were 2 massive favorites and one lesser favorite. The two massive favorites crashed out. The lesser favorite was left."

 

[Rollthedice]

"How the race was won: there were 2 massive favorites and one lesser favorite. The two massive favorites crashed out. The lesser favorite was left."

The lesser favorite won. End of story. Until Froome reverts to his Barloworld days (some signs were seen) or Contador to his 2013 form (it happened), Nibali will be a lesser favorite when competing against those two. I am totally fine with this, always cheered for the underdog.

 

[Pricey_sky]

"How the race was won: there were 2 massive favorites and one lesser favorite. The two massive favorites crashed out. The lesser favorite was left."

Spot on. This is exactly how the Tour was won.

 

[maxmartin]

"How the race was won: there were 2 massive favorites and one lesser favorite. The two massive favorites crashed out. The lesser favorite was left."

Does "massive favorites" means anything? Why don't we just hand out the
Tour tiles to those two persons in the next ten years? Why don't we even need a race?

 

[Eshnar]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/arranque-suave-y-menos-carreras-para-el-fascinante-reto-de-nibali-giro-y-tour-26-10-2014
Slongo says they're planning the Giro-Tour preparation, and they'll present the plan to Vino on November, and will discuss with him. He hints Vino doesn't agree, and that they'll try to convince him.

 

[Afrank]

"How the race was won: there were 2 massive favorites and one lesser favorite. The two massive favorites crashed out. The lesser favorite was left."

Froome wouldn't have beaten Nibali, he didn't have it this year.

 

[Netserk]

Froome wouldn't have beaten Nibali, he didn't have it this year.

He was only 2'' after when he crashed out and it's quite certain that he would have gained time in the ITT, so I don't get how you can be so sure of that.

 

[Netserk]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/arranque-suave-y-menos-carreras-para-el-fascinante-reto-de-nibali-giro-y-tour-26-10-2014
Slongo says they're planning the Giro-Tour preparation, and they'll present the plan to Vino on November, and will discuss with him. He hints Vino doesn't agree, and that they'll try to convince him.

Given the route he should have a fairly good chance to repeat his win, so I understand if Vino wants him to just focus on the Tour.

But let's hope Vino can be convinced so we see Nibali in both of them.

 

[Afrank]

He was only 2'' after when he crashed out and it's quite certain that he would have gained time in the ITT, so I don't get how you can be so sure of that.

Everyone was 2" before the cobble stage, and even if he had made it through that stage without the crashes, for all we know he would have come in behind Contador. Which is likely IMO.

Froome just didn't convince me much this year, especially in his lead up to the Tour. He was getting better in the Dauphine, but I don't think his level was as good as the level Nibali showed throughout the Tour.

He probably could have gained time in the TT, I agree with that. But there were plenty of places Nibali also could have gained time on him prior to the TT.

 

[Netserk]

Where exactly would he take any time on Froome after the cobbles? The Vosges? The Alpes? The Pyrenees?

Froome was at least as good as last year in Romandie. The same in Dauphiné before his crash.

If Froome had finished in the same time as Porte did in the cobbled stage, he would've been less than 2 minutes after Nibali, and at least half of that should vanish in the ITT. You may think he wasn't at his 2013 level, but I still don't get how you can be certain he wouldn't have gained one minute on Nibali on the 5 MTFs (3 HC, 1 1st and 1 2nd).

 

[Afrank]

Where exactly would he take any time on Froome after the cobbles? The Vosges? The Alpes? The Pyrenees?

Froome was at least as good as last year in Romandie. The same in Dauphiné before his crash.

If Froome had finished in the same time as Porte did in the cobbled stage, he would've been less than 2 minutes after Nibali, and at least half of that should vanish in the ITT. You may think he wasn't at his 2013 level, but I still don't get how you can be certain he wouldn't have gained one minute on Nibali on the 5 MTFs (3 HC, 1 1st and 1 2nd).

I can't be entirely certain, since it's just my opinion. But based on Nibali's performance throughout the Tour, I think Nibali's Tour form was better then whatever Froome had in the Tour pre stage 5.

As for stages he could have gained time on they would probably be the mountain stages, plus Stage 11 and 16 had some good descents where some time could be made up.

 

[Netserk]

Of course if Nibali would outclimb Froome, then he would have won for certain. I just don't see Nibali getting away on those two stages while wearing yellow (as it wouldn't just have been Froome/Sky chasing him then) nor him outclimb Froome.

 

[sir fly]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/arranque-suave-y-menos-carreras-para-el-fascinante-reto-de-nibali-giro-y-tour-26-10-2014
Slongo says they're planning the Giro-Tour preparation, and they'll present the plan to Vino on November, and will discuss with him. He hints Vino doesn't agree, and that they'll try to convince him.

I don't think Nibali can be competitive at the both races in the same season.
So, doing the Giro should be in function of the Tour, imo.
Any other arrangement would be a mistake.

 

[Miburo]

At least Peraud can finish a Tour without breaking a bone. LOL

Has this guy already been banned for making fun of Contador's crash?

This is a serious thing, ik there's a mod reading this so? Do you tolerate this behaviour? Ryo got banned for less, is this where cyclingnews has come to?

 

[ILovecycling]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/arranque-suave-y-menos-carreras-para-el-fascinante-reto-de-nibali-giro-y-tour-26-10-2014
Slongo says they're planning the Giro-Tour preparation, and they'll present the plan to Vino on November, and will discuss with him. He hints Vino doesn't agree, and that they'll try to convince him.

I'll take my hat off if Nibali does Giro-Tour too.
cmmmon vino

 

[Miburo]

Contador has always been good in uphill sprinting, just as much as Nibali has always sucked at them. Or do you have any good example of Nibali winning or even contesting an uphill sprint in a GT?
Nobody denies that AC was in great form, but Nibali was in great form too. None of this can be seen in a 2-3 kms climb, otherwise, as I said, you have to explain to me how Valverde managed to drop Contador at the Vuelta.
As for your last question, they didn't race any GT together since 2011 right? Outside GTs, I'd say Tirreno 2013.

Giro 2011, montervergine, he sprinted way better than Contador.

Of course let's bring up 2013, of course. That's the only argument you've. Btw nibali wasn't even a better climber in that race. Contador attacked twice before getting dropped like a stone cause he overdid it. He was only a few sec behind on nibali

Grasp this, contador's worst year, he blew himself up and nibali got a few sec.

Strong argument?

 

[Dr. Juice]

Isn't there a group here that likes both riders? I believe Contador would've won the Tour and I'm a big fan, but I also like Nibali because he also is an aggressive rider.

 

[Jspear]

Isn't there a group here that likes both riders? I believe Contador would've won the Tour and I'm a big fan, but I also like Nibali because he also is an aggressive rider.

Here. I like AC alot and I like Nibali.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Has this guy already been banned for making fun of Contador's crash?

This is a serious thing, ik there's a mod reading this so? Do you tolerate this behaviour? Ryo got banned for less, is this where cyclingnews has come to?

Nibali fanbois are allowed to troll Contador fans, it seems. And yes, maxmartin's post is sickening, but not a huge surprise

 

[ILovecycling]

Has this guy already been banned for making fun of Contador's crash?

This is a serious thing, ik there's a mod reading this so? Do you tolerate this behaviour? Ryo got banned for less, is this where cyclingnews has come to?

from these posts you can see nobody take him seriously,unlike ryo,so mods dont bother to ban him.

 

[BlurryVII]

Nobody denies that AC was in great form, but Nibali was in great form too.

AC's great form >>>>>>> Nibali's great form. Do you even get that?

Especially considering the season AC has done all the way to the Tour, his form must have been insane.

By the way, what did Nibali even do in the mountains?
15 secs on Pinot on PDBF, staying with Péraud on Chamrousse - Risoul and Plat d'adet ? 3 out of 5 MTFs? is that impressive to you? One decent performance up Hautacam which he wouldn't have been able to do with AC in the race. (not the same recovery, Less fresh since he would've had to chase him in every mountain stage) .

Really hoping he'll bring his *** to the Giro next year to get his beating.

 

[Netserk]

15 seconds is actually a fair amount of time on such a short climb. He wasn't with Papy on Chamrousse, he won that stage solo (2'09'' ahead of Papy).

 

[BlurryVII]

15 seconds is actually a fair amount of time on such a short climb. He wasn't with Papy on Chamrousse, he won that stage solo (2'09'' ahead of Papy).

Depends on who is the 2nd rider. 15 secs on Pinot, on a steep 5 kms climb is certainly not on par with AC's level.

 

[Netserk]

Pinot? I thought that was Merckx.

Not to mention Riccò further down.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Isn't there a group here that likes both riders? I believe Contador would've won the Tour and I'm a big fan, but I also like Nibali because he also is an aggressive rider.

1. Nibbs
2. Aru
3. AC

I cheer for them both.
I just get anoyed when people throw out the "Nibali just won because X rider wasn't there" to diminish th value of his victory, and most of these people are the high priests of the AC fanbase.