Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Miburo]

1. Nibbs
2. Aru
3. AC

I cheer for them both.
I just get anoyed when people throw out the "Nibali just won because X rider wasn't there" to diminish th value of his victory, and most of these people are the high priests of the AC fanbase.

He beated french riders, omg nibali is the best ever. Yea sounds better lol

 

[Netserk]

1. Nibbs
2. Aru
3. AC

I cheer for them both.
I just get anoyed when people throw out the "Nibali just won because X rider wasn't there" to diminish th value of his victory, and most of these people are the high priests of the AC fanbase.

1. Boonen

Daylight

2. Contador
3. Nibali

I cheer for them both too but my love is reserved for Tommeke

 

[Afrank]

Isn't there a group here that likes both riders? I believe Contador would've won the Tour and I'm a big fan, but I also like Nibali because he also is an aggressive rider.

In complete agreement.

I like Nibali more, but Contador's cool too. Didn't always like Contador but he's grown on me the past few years.

 

[Carols]

Isn't there a group here that likes both riders?

Indeed there is and I belong to that group.
1- Alberto
2- Vincenzo
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The rest - a long list.

Hopefully Vino let's Nibali ride the Giro/Tour .

 

[Dr. Juice]

Fine, so quite a few who like both AC and VN. Seems like some hardcore fans throw poison in here and over in the AC thread ( maxmartin's posts sometimes).

I was happy that Nibali won after my favorite rider was out. But next year I hope Contador gets his revenge, he is overall the better GT rider and back on top. When both in form he's the better climber and at least on par in a TT ( better in hilly ones) .
Nibali has descents and cobbles on his side. But next year the cobbles won't do as much damage + if it doesn't rain there won't be big differences. And hopefully no one crashes out and both do Giro + Tour.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

He beated french riders, omg nibali is the best ever. Yea sounds better lol

suprise suprise

 

[Rollthedice]

Fine, so quite a few who like both AC and VN. Seems like some hardcore fans throw poison in here and over in the AC thread ( maxmartin's posts sometimes).

I was happy that Nibali won after my favorite rider was out. But next year I hope Contador gets his revenge, he is overall the better GT rider and back on top. When both in form he's the better climber and at least on par in a TT ( better in hilly ones) .
Nibali has descents and cobbles on his side. But next year the cobbles won't do as much damage + if it doesn't rain there won't be big differences. And hopefully no one crashes out and both do Giro + Tour.

What some people don't realize is that since Nibali is with Astana he is a much better GT rider. In these 2 years he never completed a Grand Tour against Contador or Froome for that matter so we really don't know how they are comparing against each other. It wasn't his fault that this never happened and in the process he won two GTs and finished second in Vuelta. I am as excited as many around here to see Vincenzo compete against Contador and Froome but I also believe he has a chance of winning.

 

[Netbalp]

Fine, so quite a few who like both AC and VN. Seems like some hardcore fans throw poison in here and over in the AC thread ( maxmartin's posts sometimes).

I was happy that Nibali won after my favorite rider was out. But next year I hope Contador gets his revenge, he is overall the better GT rider and back on top. When both in form he's the better climber and at least on par in a TT ( better in hilly ones) .
Nibali has descents and cobbles on his side. But next year the cobbles won't do as much damage + if it doesn't rain there won't be big differences. And hopefully no one crashes out and both do Giro + Tour.

Setting of your statements is not quite right apriori since every season dictates absolutely new relation of forces on top. And if Nibali beats Contador you'll find nothing but Contador was at 80% esque things, because 'he is overall the better GT rider' on your mind. Besides, they will never be both in top form, because contrast from one's advantage will be too big that fans could accept it. Anyway, they will refer to the 2014 Tour or the 2011 Giro. It's a vicious circle and people don't want to break these chains.

 

[hegemon]

Setting of your statements is not quite right apriori since every season dictates absolutely new relation of forces on top. And if Nibali beats Contador you'll find nothing but Contador was at 80% esque things, because 'he is overall the better GT rider' on your mind. Besides, they will never be both in top form, because contrast from one's advantage will be too big that fans could accept it. Anyway, they will refer to the 2014 Tour or the 2011 Giro. It's a vicious circle and people don't want to break these chains.

3 cheers for Google Translate!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Setting of your statements is not quite right apriori since every season dictates absolutely new relation of forces on top. And if Nibali beats Contador you'll find nothing but Contador was at 80% esque things, because 'he is overall the better GT rider' on your mind. Besides, they will never be both in top form, because contrast from one's advantage will be too big that fans could accept it. Anyway, they will refer to the 2014 Tour or the 2011 Giro. It's a vicious circle and people don't want to break these chains.

It's not a vicious circle, it's common sense. Alberto was a beast this year.

Who's next on your list? After Schleck, Froome, and now Nibali? Maybe Quintana?

 

[Netserk]

Setting of your statements is not quite right apriori since every season dictates absolutely new relation of forces on top. And if Nibali beats Contador you'll find nothing but Contador was at 80% esque things, because 'he is overall the better GT rider' on your mind. Besides, they will never be both in top form, because contrast from one's advantage will be too big that fans could accept it. Anyway, they will refer to the 2014 Tour or the 2011 Giro. It's a vicious circle and people don't want to break these chains.

Maybe it's just you who (as always) like to stir things up. Plenty of people are objective enough to assess who the better rider is.

 

[LaFlorecita]

3 cheers for Google Translate!

I'm not so sure, to me it just seems like he actively searches for the most difficult words to sound intelligent. He's been doing it for years.

 

[Angliru]

What some people don't realize is that since Nibali is with Astana he is a much better GT rider. In these 2 years he never completed a Grand Tour against Contador or Froome for that matter so we really don't know how they are comparing against each other. It wasn't his fault that this never happened and in the process he won two GTs and finished second in Vuelta. I am as excited as many around here to see Vincenzo compete against Contador and Froome but I also believe he has a chance of winning.

I really don't give him much of a chance if he was unable to beat Horner in last year's Vuelta. It's not as if he went into the Vuelta after racing 3 weeks in France in July. He had ample time to prepare for the Vuelta. I concede that he's an improved rider from 2013 but can we expect another jump in performance from 2014? Normally he's knocking out the results prior to the Tour but in 2014 he mostly silent in that area. I suspect that he will find the going a lot rougher in the grand tours in 2015 versus Contador and Froome. We never got to see Nibali vs. Contador and Froome in the mountains to guage if he had bridged the vast gap that existed.

 

[Carols]

I'm not so sure, to me it just seems like he actively searches for the most difficult words to sound intelligent. He's been doing it for years.

Since it is 'a priori' not apriori I guess he didn't work hard enough .

I've been a Nibali fan for 5+ years. The day may come when Nibali can be rated equal to or above Alberto, that time might be in 2015. But that time hasn't come yet. It will happen eventually as Alberto's star wanes and Nibali's continues to rise, it's a matter of age and wear and tear.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Since it is 'a priori' not apriori I guess he didn't work hard enough .

I've been a Nibali fan for 5+ years. The day may come when Nibali can be rated equal to or above Alberto, that time might be in 2015. But that time hasn't come yet. It will happen eventually as Alberto's star wanes and Nibali's continues to rise, it's a matter of age and wear and tear.

there's like 2 years difference.
Doubt AC star will fall much before NIbalis starts to fall aswell

 

[Tonton]

I really don't give him much of a chance if he was unable to beat Horner in last year's Vuelta. It's not as if he went into the Vuelta after racing 3 weeks in France in July. He had ample time to prepare for the Vuelta. I concede that he's an improved rider from 2013 but can we expect another jump in performance from 2014? Normally he's knocking out the results prior to the Tour but in 2014 he mostly silent in that area. I suspect that he will find the going a lot rougher in the grand tours in 2015 versus Contador and Froome. We never got to see Nibali vs. Contador and Froome in the mountains to guage if he had bridged the vast gap that existed.

To his credit, in '13 he had won the Giro. See Quintana in '14, winning the Giro and not looking so good at the Vuelta. On the paper Giro-Vuelta seems to be the "easier" two GT schedule, but it may be more complicated than we think...

Contador was the man to beat at the '14 TdF. As you stated we'll never know how it would have unfolded, but Nibali's performance was much better than I anticipated. Much better. Hope we get the answer in '15.

 

[Jazasz]

To his credit, in '13 he had won the Giro. See Quintana in '14, winning the Giro and not looking so good at the Vuelta.

Quintana not looking so good in the Vuelta? He was in the leaders jersey when he crashed out I think he was looking fine.

 

[May0maniac]

To his credit, in '13 he had won the Giro. See Quintana in '14, winning the Giro and not looking so good at the Vuelta. On the paper Giro-Vuelta seems to be the "easier" two GT schedule, but it may be more complicated than we think...

Contador was the man to beat at the '14 TdF. As you stated we'll never know how it would have unfolded, but Nibali's performance was much better than I anticipated. Much better. Hope we get the answer in '15.

I thing in both cases that has to do more with celebrating a GT win, the huge relief that you get after winnig a GT and all the media attention and obligations. This year there was a huge buzz around Pinot in France after the 3rd place an white jersey at the Tour, he hand tons of media obligations and sucked at the Vuelta. It's the same with TDF winners, usually they suck for the rest of the season.

 

[Angliru]

To his credit, in '13 he had won the Giro. See Quintana in '14, winning the Giro and not looking so good at the Vuelta. On the paper Giro-Vuelta seems to be the "easier" two GT schedule, but it may be more complicated than we think...

Contador was the man to beat at the '14 TdF. As you stated we'll never know how it would have unfolded, but Nibali's performance was much better than I anticipated. Much better. Hope we get the answer in '15.

Quintana crashed out of the Vuelta. In the short time that we've watched his performances in grand tours, he typically gets better as the events progress. He never had a chance to show that this would've been the same case. You can't judge his performance on that short period he was riding the Vuelta.

No one is saying that the Giro-Vuelta is a cake-walk compared to the Giro-Tour or Tour-Vuelta. If Nibali was going to show that he's in the same class as Contador (and Froome to a lesser extent) he would have delivered a smashing whoopin' to Horner in the Vuelta last year. He was continually dropped by Horner in the final week.

2015 should be quite interesting with Quintana, Nibali, Froome and Contador giving us the answer as to who is true king of the grand tours. There is no one else in the conversation.

 

[Tonton]

Quintana not looking so good in the Vuelta? He was in the leaders jersey when he crashed out I think he was looking fine.

You take bits and pieces and not respond to my point.

Vuelta 2014: on Stage 6, Quintana dropped by Piti/Dawg/Bertie. On stage 7 with the other favorites, stage 8 sprint, stage 9 with Contador, takes jersey from Valverde who lost seconds. Overall, three riders within 9 seconds of Quintana.

Very good, not great, like Nibali in '13, not at their best. Which was my point.

 

[Tonton]

Quintana crashed out of the Vuelta. In the short time that we've watched his performances in grand tours, he typically gets better as the events progress. He never had a chance to show that this would've been the same case. You can't judge his performance on that short period he was riding the Vuelta.

No one is saying that the Giro-Vuelta is a cake-walk compared to the Giro-Tour or Tour-Vuelta. If Nibali was going to show that he's in the same class as Contador (and Froome to a lesser extent) he would have delivered a smashing whoopin' to Horner in the Vuelta last year. He was continually dropped by Horner in the final week.

2015 should be quite interesting with Quintana, Nibali, Froome and Contador giving us the answer as to who is true king of the grand tours. There is no one else in the conversation.

You make good points here. Quintana tends to get better as a GT progresses. And yes, it was still early in the proceedings. He got popped on stage 6, didn't look Quintanesque, though.

My $.02 on Horner's '13 performance belongs to another part of the forum. He would have dropped the '69 Merckx too.

I'm not calling anything a cakewalk. I believe a used quotations marks to ensure that.

2015 will definitely be interesting and bring us some answers.

 

[Rollthedice]

Horner 2013 Vuelta version might have had some trouble dropping Froome but Contador, Quintana and all the field available in 2013 would have been dropped by the 42 going on 43 years old between 24.08 and 15.09.2013

 

[Netbalp]

Maybe it's just you who (as always) like to stir things up. Plenty of people are objective enough to assess who the better rider is.

Better rider is a rider you cheer for. Imagination and reality merged alltogether for a type of fans like you. Some of you even serve the double like a fact. It is a disease.

 

[Netserk]

Better rider is a rider you cheer for. Imagination and reality merged alltogether for a type of fans like you. Some of you even serve the double like a fact. It is a disease.

Can you quote someone doing that, or are you just making **** up to troll?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Horner 2013 Vuelta version might have had some trouble dropping Froome but Contador, Quintana and all the field available in 2013 would have been dropped by the 42 going on 43 years old between 24.08 and 15.09.2013

Really?