Today wasn't a good day for him, it showed early and late. The show may be over, but it isn't, until the fat lady sings. This is cycling, things happen! Odds may be low but I say Forza Vincenzo!
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Re: Nibali discussion thread
Yep, but you can't let Tom Big Mouth go unpunished like that! :lol:
Gigs_98 said:
Yep, but you can't let Tom Big Mouth go unpunished like that! :lol:
Re: Nibali discussion thread
He and his team, Movistar and AG2R should attack from km 0 tomorrowGigs_98 said:
yeah but you can't deny this is bad for Nibali. Today was a day to really put minutes into Dumoulin. Now basically the only minutes he got the entire race on Dumoulin was when the latter had to ***.
That's quite literally an even bigger hurt on his pride than the words after the finish. He will still do something, not tomorrow, but saturday, to either win or die trying.
That's quite literally an even bigger hurt on his pride than the words after the finish. He will still do something, not tomorrow, but saturday, to either win or die trying.
Both him and Quintana probably thought Dumoulin would have trouble in recovering from the Stelvio stage. And this was the perfect stage to bury him. Didn't happen, so I understand Nibali being upset.
He didn't look particularly good today anyway. The fact so many riders were on the same level tells me it wasn't hard enough for him to make a difference. He's really similar to the old Basso nowadays.
He didn't look particularly good today anyway. The fact so many riders were on the same level tells me it wasn't hard enough for him to make a difference. He's really similar to the old Basso nowadays.
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On the contrary, I think the stage was simply too hard and killed the legs of everybody. All the attacks were punchless.
SafeBet said:
On the contrary, I think the stage was simply too hard and killed the legs of everybody. All the attacks were punchless.
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Sure it's bad, you prepare to defeat Quintana and suddenly you have Froome in the race. With this parcours and his form, Tom looks unbeatable which makes me think what on earth were the organizers thinking when they clearly would have preferred an Italian to win and came up with such a design, 70k TT included. Tom suprised everybody not with his skills and talent, which were showcased in Vuelta but with his endurance over three weeks. But it's not over yet and I think that without Dumoulin's exceptional performance, Vincenzo can beat Quintana.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Sure it's bad, you prepare to defeat Quintana and suddenly you have Froome in the race. With this parcours and his form, Tom looks unbeatable which makes me think what on earth were the organizers thinking when they clearly would have preferred an Italian to win and came up with such a design, 70k TT included. Tom suprised everybody not with his skills and talent, which were showcased in Vuelta but with his endurance over three weeks. But it's not over yet and I think that without Dumoulin's exceptional performance, Vincenzo can beat Quintana.
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But also Nibali should be able to drop at least the likes of Pozzovivo and Zakarin and also today they try but they can't and at the end they only control Dumoulin with the result that in the finale everyone go away.
I don't expect the minutes flowing every stage but giving that Quintana is clearly the best climber in the race if he's in form he should be able to make the difference and drop everyone else in the hardest stages if he wants.bassano said:
But also Nibali should be able to drop at least the likes of Pozzovivo and Zakarin and also today they try but they can't and at the end they only control Dumoulin with the result that in the finale everyone go away.
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The route is perfect. The riders just need to adapt. It's a learning process. With an oldschool route the climbers need to be in full peak shape and they need to go on long-range attacks in the mountains to stress out the tt guy or at least win the mountains jersey as the best climber in the race. I prefer that 90s style of racing over the Tour any time. Even if once for all this years Tour gonna be more exciting than the Giro has been.Rollthedice said:
Re: Nibali discussion thread
#Giro100 - Nibali: "Dumoulin was lucky, we did the climb strong, we attacked, after the top there was a little valley so he could re-enter"
And Nibali says dumoulin is cocky. That's rich with these words.
#Giro100 - Nibali: "Dumoulin was lucky, we did the climb strong, we attacked, after the top there was a little valley so he could re-enter"
And Nibali says dumoulin is cocky. That's rich with these words.
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It's not hard to understand what the organisers were thinking: They weren't expecting Super Tom any more than the riders were so they set up a route that would allow Nibali to be competitive with any more likely rivals. As you say yourself, this is a parcours where the home favourite could reasonably beat Quintana.
Rollthedice said:
It's not hard to understand what the organisers were thinking: They weren't expecting Super Tom any more than the riders were so they set up a route that would allow Nibali to be competitive with any more likely rivals. As you say yourself, this is a parcours where the home favourite could reasonably beat Quintana.
Re: Nibali discussion thread
lol. Lucky old Dumoulin; actually looking at the race profile and using it to ride to his strengths. Nibali's ego has obviously been badly spiked by the remarks; will be interesting to see if he can use the anger wisely or not.Dekker_Tifosi said:
Its just that it isn't even true. Dumoulin returned already before the top. Not in the valley thereafter.
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I can not find this quote, could you link the source please?Dekker_Tifosi said:
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Yeah he basically made contact on the top, more or less. Don't really know what Nibali is doing here, maybe hyping himself up for the two last remaining stages.Dekker_Tifosi said:
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Dumoulin was fortunate today. Our tactic and Movistar's was ideal: We sent our teammates up the road and we made a strong attack on the Passo Gardena, but the descent didn't come straight away and he was able to close the gap,"
I'm reading here on CN a completely different version:Dekker_Tifosi said:
Dumoulin was fortunate today. Our tactic and Movistar's was ideal: We sent our teammates up the road and we made a strong attack on the Passo Gardena, but the descent didn't come straight away and he was able to close the gap,"
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Then the tactics weren't ideal, since they had not studied the profile properly.
The last part of Dumoulin answer.
I don't think Dumoulin was cocky, but confident. People sometimes confuse those terms, but they are quite different.
Rollthedice said:
Then the tactics weren't ideal, since they had not studied the profile properly.
The last part of Dumoulin answer.
I don't think Dumoulin was cocky, but confident. People sometimes confuse those terms, but they are quite different.
I wonder what race Nibali was seeing from up there. It wasn't the one I saw, that's for sure.
Yes, there is a difference. And there's no reason why Dumoulin would be lacking confidence by the time Quintana's attack was easily controlled by Reichenbach(!). He'd have to be missing most of his brain if he didn't realise at that stage that at least today he was simply better than his rivals.
Noibali can't win on this forum. If he wins due to an opponent's misfortune, it is discredited. If he doesn't win he's considered a lesser GT rider.
What is so hard to understand and what race have you been watching?
Quintana made a powerful dig on the Passo Gardena that Nibali ultimately joined, but Dumoulin refused to allow his rivals much breathing room, closing down the move before the top of the climb.
Quintana made a powerful dig on the Passo Gardena that Nibali ultimately joined, but Dumoulin refused to allow his rivals much breathing room, closing down the move before the top of the climb.
I heard the whole interview, it's the same where he replied to Dumoulin's comments. He was obviously upset by what Tom had said, hence the kind of irrational reply.
Just a little polemics (as DT would say).
Just a little polemics (as DT would say).
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