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LaFlorecita said:Because a handful of Valverde fans appear to have taken over the forum and will discuss him in any available thread.hfer07 said:can somebody please give me a concrete answer to why ((Valverde)) is being discussed here on the ((NIBALI DISCUSSION THREAD))?
enough already
King Boonen said:So funny to see people are still claiming Nibali wins because he is lucky. He's the greatest bike racer since Hinault.
Rollthedice said:SafeBet said:He probably would have evolved into a rider waiting for the sprint in most races.Rollthedice said:One can only imagine what would've happened if God gave him just 80% of Valverde's ability to sprint.
I wouldn't be so sure. He has a different mentality, maybe old school romantic warrior. I don't think a better sprint would've turned him into a passive rider, unless his personality would've changed
Carols said:King Boonen said:So funny to see people are still claiming Nibali wins because he is lucky. He's the greatest bike racer since Hinault.
WOW that's a statement, History will decide. He is definitely the best all-rounder in the current peloton.
It's very irksome people still put it down to luck......
Carols said:King Boonen said:So funny to see people are still claiming Nibali wins because he is lucky. He's the greatest bike racer since Hinault.
WOW that's a statement, History will decide. He is definitely the best all-rounder in the current peloton.
It's very irksome people still put it down to luck......
Billie said:Maybe not since Hinault if you consider Kelly coming post Hinault but definatly the best cyclist since the change of era's which was the early 90's when LeMond started the all out focussing on specific races and EPO made it's way into cycling.
Salvarani said:This is pretty good for Nibali. He already pretty much made his season with this win
Takes the pressure off from him and he can just keep focusing on his targets. I also like the trend he is on. 2nd Vuelta (will be listed as a win soon?), Lombardia and now MSR. Some races in between where he was just solid, but I think that is good.
Hopefully he can keep riding in harmony and get through Flanders without any trouble and then put in a big effort in LBL. Then get ready for TDF.
Jspear said:Salvarani said:This is pretty good for Nibali. He already pretty much made his season with this win
Takes the pressure off from him and he can just keep focusing on his targets. I also like the trend he is on. 2nd Vuelta (will be listed as a win soon?), Lombardia and now MSR. Some races in between where he was just solid, but I think that is good.
Hopefully he can keep riding in harmony and get through Flanders without any trouble and then put in a big effort in LBL. Then get ready for TDF.
I’m sure he won’t care about the 2017 Vuelta. You have to win it out on the road. But back to this year, perfect start. It would be amazing if he can find just a little more form than last year. He’d be a real big threat at the Tour.
He’s better than Kelly. Just, but better.Billie said:Maybe not since Hinault if you consider Kelly coming post Hinault but definatly the best cyclist since the change of era's which was the early 90's when LeMond started the all out focussing on specific races and EPO made it's way into cycling.
Yes, it’s very simple. Nibali is both an underachiever and an overachiever. He has had to work very hard with all his god-given talents only to lose out to negative tactics and weaker riders, and at the same time his luck and sneakiness have combined with his skills as a bike rider to give him all his big wins over stronger opponents.italoc said:A funny thing is that while it is true that Nibali won a lot of races he shouldn't have won (i.e. where you could argue he wasn't the strongest) - Vuelta 2010, Tirreno 2013, Giro 2016, possibly even Lombardia 2015 - at the same time he lost races where he seemed the strongest: Liege 2012 (debatable), Vuelta and Florence 2015, Rio 2016. So I find the overachiever argument a bit silly: he has proved his talent multiple times in different races, and you could even say that he should have won more than he actually did!
King Boonen said:He’s better than Kelly. Just, but better.Billie said:Maybe not since Hinault if you consider Kelly coming post Hinault but definatly the best cyclist since the change of era's which was the early 90's when LeMond started the all out focussing on specific races and EPO made it's way into cycling.
Carols said:King Boonen said:He’s better than Kelly. Just, but better.Billie said:Maybe not since Hinault if you consider Kelly coming post Hinault but definatly the best cyclist since the change of era's which was the early 90's when LeMond started the all out focussing on specific races and EPO made it's way into cycling.
AGREE
But not better than Indurain or Contador, IMO. History will decide.
Rollthedice said:Carols said:King Boonen said:He’s better than Kelly. Just, but better.Billie said:Maybe not since Hinault if you consider Kelly coming post Hinault but definatly the best cyclist since the change of era's which was the early 90's when LeMond started the all out focussing on specific races and EPO made it's way into cycling.
AGREE
But not better than Indurain or Contador, IMO. History will decide.
For Vincenzo history is still in the making.
Probably he deserves but it's impossible to not point at the fact that all the GTs he won was because the strongest rider in the race crashed out, maybe we can argue about Giro 2013 because we didn't know the real shape of Wiggins but the year before at the Tour was destroyed by him in TTs and dropped even in MTF at La Planche des Belles Filles and Peyragudes. And his crashes in one day races hardly compensates that.YavorD said:I read many comments about how Nibs is "overachiever".. Guy is (at his day) top 3 climber and 2nd best TT rider (well, TomD only came last year as a top GT rider if we add that he is the best descender and tactic master with this skills, he deserves his palmares, and maybe even more. He may not have the Valv sprint and amazing consistency or Contador/Schleck climbing talent, but he is the most complete rider in our era. Heck, he can even ride cobbles.
italoc said:A funny thing is that while it is true that Nibali won a lot of races he shouldn't have won (i.e. where you could argue he wasn't the strongest) - Vuelta 2010, Tirreno 2013, Giro 2016, possibly even Lombardia 2015 - at the same time he lost races where he seemed the strongest: Liege 2012 (debatable), Vuelta and Florence 2015, Rio 2016. So I find the overachiever argument a bit silly: he has proved his talent multiple times in different races, and you could even say that he should have won more than he actually did!