Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[roundabout]

You can try to get a result without being optimally prepared.

We're finally getting somewhere instead of handwaving the results by claiming that he did not try.

 

[Red Rick]

Just checked it and if I didn't overlook anything its Vino in 2010. In fact Vino is the last rider to win LBL to even ride the Giro afterwards. That's honestly insane.

About Nibali winning Trentino before not being up there in LBL. Almost everyone who rides Trentino uses it as giro preparation meaning that, if the claim is "riders going to the giro don't perform well in LBL", winning Trentino tells us absolutely nothing about whether that claim is correct.

Yeah Trentino is a level playing field in that regard. You can also compare Contador in Fleche 2010 vs 2011. One where he tried to win and another where he entered the race as Giro prep.

 

[Red Rick]

We're finally getting somewhere instead of handwaving the results by claiming that he did not try.

It's purely semantic.

 

[Ivan_Basso_77]

Those routes to Lecco were horrible, but still not as bad as the 2014 abomination. He then certainly profited a lot from the difficulty of the post 2015 routes but even the old Como routes before 2011 would have been so much better for Nibali.

Jeez, I still remember his crash on the Sormano descent in 2010. He would have certainly given Gilbert a hard time on San Fermo.

 

[Sciatic]

Jeez, I still remember his crash on the Sormano descent in 2010. He would have certainly given Gilbert a hard time on San Fermo.

Exactly, that’s one of my main “what could have been” memories about Nibali. The weather made the course that much harder that year, but also probably contributed to his crash.

 

[Red Rick]

Jeez, I still remember his crash on the Sormano descent in 2010. He would have certainly given Gilbert a hard time on San Fermo.

I always forget he crashed. Didn't he alsso crash in some other Lombardia?

 

[Mayomaniac]

I always forget he crashed. Didn't he alsso crash in some other Lombardia?

2013.

 

[Red Rick]

2013.

So many moral victories.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nibali continues the preparation in the mountains towards the start of the Giro:
today there are two weeks left and he has climbed the Passo del Foscagno, 2291 meters.
He posted a story on Instagram with the breathtaking view and fixed on the 10% slope sign
He's not been wasting his time

Nibali, la marcia verso il Giro prosegue a Livigno: ha già scalato il Foscagno

Lo Squalo ha cominciato a uscire su strada dopo il via libera dei medici: alla partenza della corsa rosa mancano due settimane. Non ha perso tempo: in un panorama di neve ha già affrontato le prime salite

www.gazzetta.it

 

[Red Rick]

yes, yes, yes. it tells nothing.

Pozzovivo

2 Trentino - 5 Liege - 5 Giro
3 Trentino -12 Liege - 6 Giro
7 Trentino - 63 Liege - 20 Giro
7 Trentino - 8 Liege - DNF
2 Trentino - 5 Liege - 5 Giro

also, let's be real here, apart from 2012, there isn't really a significant difference in Nibali's Liege results whether he was going to the Giro after or not.

8 Liege - 2 Giro
32 Liege - no Giro
51 Liege - 1 Giro
12 Liege - no Giro
30 Liege - no Giro
23 Liege - 1 Giro
2 Liege - no Giro
8 Liege - 2 Giro
28 Liege - 3 Giro
39 Liege - no Giro
10 Liege - 11 Giro

Clearly Pozzovivo prepared harder for Liege than Nibali in a lot of them years.

Basically Nibs has done one serious LBL attempt after his 2013/2014 breakthrough and becoming a classics winner and it was in 2018 when the prep was hampered by a third nut.

 

[Nirvana]

Just checked it and if I didn't overlook anything its Vino in 2010. In fact Vino is the last rider to win LBL to even ride the Giro afterwards. That's honestly insane.

About Nibali winning Trentino before not being up there in LBL. Almost everyone who rides Trentino uses it as giro preparation meaning that, if the claim is "riders going to the giro don't perform well in LBL", winning Trentino tells us absolutely nothing about whether that claim is correct.

Vino in 2010 even won Trentino before Liege, no one else has ever done Trentino/Liege double.

 

[Fuente De]

Bit of an odd debate of calling a monument a prep race. Just looking at Top 10 of 2019, we have Formolo, Landa and Nibali who all went on to ride Giro in good manner.

 

[Red Rick]

Bit of an odd debate of calling a monument a prep race. Just looking at Top 10 of 2019, we have Formolo, Landa and Nibali who all went on to ride Giro in good manner.

They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[Oliver]

Trek: Instagram

@baukemollema @gianlucabrambilla @jacoposun @ema_geb2 @ciccone_giulio @koendekort1 @moschetti_mateo

No shark @ Giro?

 

[RedheadDane]

Trek: Instagram

@baukemollema @gianlucabrambilla @jacoposun @ema_geb2 @ciccone_giulio @koendekort1 @moschetti_mateo

No shark @ Giro?

They're asking us to guess the eighth rider, so I'm hoping it's just a rather convulted way of confirming that he is indeed going.

 

[SafeBet]

He hasn't been cleared yet (as far as I know). So our guess is their guess until further medical test. I believe we'll have an official decision tomorrow at the lastest.

 

[F_Cance]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389149851116523521

View: https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1389149851116523521



it's happening. Bring the bags

 

[Red Rick]

WILLS SHALL BE SHAKEN

LEGS SHALL BE SPLINTERED

A COLD DAY

A WET DAY

 

[Climbing]

It's happening, officially

 

[Pinot's goat]

Who is going for GC at Trek?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

TGBM is pretty much their only choice, cause both Brambilla and Ciccone have shown that they aren't good for enough that. I hope Ciccone will be given a free role so he can become KOM again. I would also love to see Nibali do the same, but his level is obviously quite uncertain at this point.

 

[Red Rick]

Mollema isn't going for GC. He's going for stage wins at both the Giro and Tour.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Mollema isn't going for GC. He's going for stage wins at both the Giro and Tour.

Right, then I can't really see any of them going for the GC, but they could still finish high up from being in breaks.

 

[Netserk]

With this field, it's about fifty-fifty for Nibali to reach at least podium. I think he's hungry and ready to step up from last year, injury or not.

 

[Bonimenier]

With this field, it's about fifty-fifty for Nibali to reach at least podium. I think he's hungry and ready to step up from last year, injury or not.

Fifty-fifty seems overly ambitious. Even without his crash I would have estimated his chances on a podium quite slim. I just hope he can show his old self a couple of times and battle for a stage victory.