You can try to get a result without being optimally prepared.
We're finally getting somewhere instead of handwaving the results by claiming that he did not try.
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You can try to get a result without being optimally prepared.
Yeah Trentino is a level playing field in that regard. You can also compare Contador in Fleche 2010 vs 2011. One where he tried to win and another where he entered the race as Giro prep.Just checked it and if I didn't overlook anything its Vino in 2010. In fact Vino is the last rider to win LBL to even ride the Giro afterwards. That's honestly insane.
About Nibali winning Trentino before not being up there in LBL. Almost everyone who rides Trentino uses it as giro preparation meaning that, if the claim is "riders going to the giro don't perform well in LBL", winning Trentino tells us absolutely nothing about whether that claim is correct.
It's purely semantic.We're finally getting somewhere instead of handwaving the results by claiming that he did not try.
Those routes to Lecco were horrible, but still not as bad as the 2014 abomination. He then certainly profited a lot from the difficulty of the post 2015 routes but even the old Como routes before 2011 would have been so much better for Nibali.
Exactly, that’s one of my main “what could have been” memories about Nibali. The weather made the course that much harder that year, but also probably contributed to his crash.Jeez, I still remember his crash on the Sormano descent in 2010. He would have certainly given Gilbert a hard time on San Fermo.
I always forget he crashed. Didn't he alsso crash in some other Lombardia?Jeez, I still remember his crash on the Sormano descent in 2010. He would have certainly given Gilbert a hard time on San Fermo.
2013.I always forget he crashed. Didn't he alsso crash in some other Lombardia?
Clearly Pozzovivo prepared harder for Liege than Nibali in a lot of them years.yes, yes, yes. it tells nothing.
Pozzovivo
2 Trentino - 5 Liege - 5 Giro
3 Trentino -12 Liege - 6 Giro
7 Trentino - 63 Liege - 20 Giro
7 Trentino - 8 Liege - DNF
2 Trentino - 5 Liege - 5 Giro
also, let's be real here, apart from 2012, there isn't really a significant difference in Nibali's Liege results whether he was going to the Giro after or not.
8 Liege - 2 Giro
32 Liege - no Giro
51 Liege - 1 Giro
12 Liege - no Giro
30 Liege - no Giro
23 Liege - 1 Giro
2 Liege - no Giro
8 Liege - 2 Giro
28 Liege - 3 Giro
39 Liege - no Giro
10 Liege - 11 Giro
Vino in 2010 even won Trentino before Liege, no one else has ever done Trentino/Liege double.Just checked it and if I didn't overlook anything its Vino in 2010. In fact Vino is the last rider to win LBL to even ride the Giro afterwards. That's honestly insane.
About Nibali winning Trentino before not being up there in LBL. Almost everyone who rides Trentino uses it as giro preparation meaning that, if the claim is "riders going to the giro don't perform well in LBL", winning Trentino tells us absolutely nothing about whether that claim is correct.
They're not mutually exclusive.Bit of an odd debate of calling a monument a prep race. Just looking at Top 10 of 2019, we have Formolo, Landa and Nibali who all went on to ride Giro in good manner.
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Mollema isn't going for GC. He's going for stage wins at both the Giro and Tour.
Fifty-fifty seems overly ambitious. Even without his crash I would have estimated his chances on a podium quite slim. I just hope he can show his old self a couple of times and battle for a stage victory.With this field, it's about fifty-fifty for Nibali to reach at least podium. I think he's hungry and ready to step up from last year, injury or not.