Vingegaard vs Pogačar - The Duel

[Izzyeviel]

It's a been a real privilege to watch these two over the past two years. Although for the sake of my nerves, I hope they become more boring.

 

[skippo12]

It's a been a real privilege to watch these two over the past two years. Although for the sake of my nerves, I hope they become more boring.

Danish Froome-bot vs Glorified Roglic-like mountain sprinter. At least according to the discussions of the last few days. Can it get more boring?

 

[IndianCyclist]

Danish Froome-bot vs Glorified Roglic-like mountain sprinter. At least according to the discussions of the last few days. Can it get more boring?

Yes it can. Just look at Giro 2023

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Somehow I hope Vingo will take more chances with his schedule and Pogi will beat him next year. Then in 2025 we will get the ultimate showdown each being equal at 2-2 and a bunch of Youngsters ready to replace them. I wonder if this insane career yearly peak will be the new normal.

Equal at 2-2 what? Tour wins? Pogačar already has two.

 

[Netserk]

Equal at 2-2 what? Tour wins? Pogačar already has two.

2020 wasn't against Vingegaard. The thread title makes clear what it is about.

 

[Lequack]

New year, new duel.

 

[tobydawq]

New year, new duel.

Hopefully.

 

[solo80k]

Hopefully.

I expect thermonuclear performance from this Duo on many stages.

 

[Froome]

Oh my good, i never knew this thread existed.

 

[Miha81]

3 weeks to go. So lets see if they will go 1 and 2 on the podium for the 4th consecutive time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Both will get stomped.

 

[Salvarani]

New year, new duel

A lot of people are very thankful for you resurrecting this thread, I am assuming.

 

[Salvarani]

Oh my good, i never knew this thread existed.

I know! It is like finding a present right before Christmas Day, right?

 

[Froome]

I know! It is like finding a present right before Christmas Day, right?

We need them for Tour battle

This is the right place for our Tour France battle!

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard needs to be 100% (But Vingegaard wont be 100% now which is only natural after his crash.) and Pogacar 90% then its a very nice fight, if pogacar is 100% its not very close. But Pogacar most likely wont be 100% at the Tour duo the the Giro naturally.

Tell me one performance by Pogacar until today in Grand Tours since 2020, better than the best perfomances of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

I'm just asking one.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This year's edition of clash of the mutants is still in doubt as Skeletor is undergoing renovation. The question is: will we witness it soon or in 2025?

 

[velaso montador]

Tell me one performance by Pogacar until today in Grand Tours since 2020, better than the best perfomances of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

I'm just asking one.

You and me been over this. As a neutral guy If Vingegaard ever manage to beat him without an asterisk too it then lets talk then its awesome it really is! But untill that happen just do it with someone else man hehe its not harder than that it really isnt. I find it very childish if I can be honest.

Lets not have a meaningless pissing contest about something neither you and me are involved in, based on fictual facts you always refer too if you want to have this kind of half glass empty view and wishfull thinking and it somewhat makes your life better have it with someone else dude its not exactly close if pogacar is 100% if he is not 100% its epic.

 

[RedheadDane]

I know! It is like finding a present right before Christmas Day, right?

I open all my presents right before Christmas Day.

 

[Netserk]

You and me been over this. As a neutral guy If Vingegaard ever manage to beat him without an asterisk too it then lets talk then its awesome it really is! But untill that happen just do it with someone else man hehe its not harder than that it really isnt. I find it very childish if I can be honest.

Lets not have a meaningless pissing contest about something neither you and me are involved in, based on fictual facts you always refer too if you want to have this kind of half glass empty view and wishfull thinking and it somewhat makes your life better have it with someone else dude its not exactly close if pogacar is 100% if he is not 100% its epic.

He was 100 % in 2022. Had a bad day after being attacked by both Rogla and Vingegaard on Galibier, but was strong the next day.

He got his ass handed to him on Hautacam again and in the final ITT. Just not good enough.

 

[Froome]

You and me been over this. As a neutral guy If Vingegaard ever manage to beat him without an asterisk too it then lets talk then its awesome it really is! But untill that happen just do it with someone else man hehe its not harder than that it really isnt. I find it very childish if I can be honest.

Lets not have a meaningless pissing contest about something neither you and me are involved in, based on fictual facts you always refer too if you want to have this kind of half glass empty view and wishfull thinking and it somewhat makes your life better have it with someone else dude its not exactly close if pogacar is 100% if he is not 100% its epic.

You didn't answer me. I hope you can answer to my question.

This is not about asterics or not. Tell me one performance by Pogacar at 100% in Grand Tours, better than the best perfomances of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

You can't say Pogacar is a better GT rider than Vingegaard and cannot be able to tell one performance of Pogacar better than one performance of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

We can start for Time Trials for example. The Time trial of Vingegaard last year is probably the best Time Trial of this century, and way better than the Time Trial of Pogacar in La planche des belles filles.

We can also start to discuss the perfomances in the mountains, and see when Pogacar could push better numbers than Vingegaard, or who sustains better the fatigue KJ/h and still push higher numbers.

I just asked for one better perfomance by Pogacar in Grand Tours compared to the perfomances of Vingegaard, because you said Vingegaard is not even close to Pogacar in Grand Tours when they are at 100%. Then, show me the evidence in terms of better perfomances in Grand Tours on they're careers.

 

[Salvarani]

Pog three GT wins

Vinge two GT wins

 

[Danskebjerge]

Winning the Giro and then being second in the Tour, is a better performance than winning the Tour. Period.

 

[velaso montador]

''We can also start to discuss the perfomances''

Its not exactly a dicussion at all outside a few danes, look I get it I really do. Just leave me out of it haha jesus

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Its not exactly a dicussion at all outside a few danes, look I get it I really do. Just leave me out of it haha jesus

It‘s not really a discussion in terms of peak level with Vingegaard being much better, though, no way does Pogačar ever do a performance like the Combloux ITT, but that was (hopefully) a one-off, so Pogačar won‘t have to reach that level anyway. By the way, you seem to be under the impression that there is some kind of asterisk to the 2022 Tour, and I would be really interested in hearing more about this.

 

[dercuforever]

You didn't answer me. I hope you can answer to my question.

This is not about asterics or not. Tell me one performance by Pogacar at 100% in Grand Tours, better than the best perfomances of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

You can't say Pogacar is a better GT rider than Vingegaard and cannot be able to tell one performance of Pogacar better than one performance of Vingegaard in Grand Tours.

We can start for Time Trials for example. The Time trial of Vingegaard last year is probably the best Time Trial of this century, and way better than the Time Trial of Pogacar in La planche des belles filles.

We can also start to discuss the perfomances in the mountains, and see when Pogacar could push better numbers than Vingegaard, or who sustains better the fatigue KJ/h and still push higher numbers.

I just asked for one better perfomance by Pogacar in Grand Tours compared to the perfomances of Vingegaard, because you said Vingegaard is not even close to Pogacar in Grand Tours when they are at 100%. Then, show me the evidence in terms of better perfomances in Grand Tours on they're careers.

Vingegaard performance in Combloux is not something Pogacar shown he could do. In fact that day he crushed the opposition (minus Vingegaard) which was already something huge.
IIRC Tourmalet was Vingegaard best performance in 2023 in a climb, yet he did not drop Pog.
Vingegaard seems more reliable and consistent. He's a better climber but I don't expect him to take more than a minute total on a 100% Pogacar.
With a TT let's say 2 min total.
A a very hilly tour with some tricky stages (cobbles), I can see Pogacar win, on what he's shown in the past. But odds are still on Vingegaard side, by a lot. (I'm talking hypothetical 100% no injury on both sides)
I've yet to see final form GT Pogacar. Hope that was not 2023 or he won't beat a 100% Vingegaard unless they add PR and RVV as stages.