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Vino and Astana

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Mellow Velo said:
Then, your "insider" needs to get out more.
No doubt that he is quite inside, and therefore a bit biased, and perhaps protective. Never the less, I find it interesting that my speculation regarding Vino are being rebutted by bashings of Lance.
 
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benpounder said:
No doubt that he is quite inside, and therefore a bit biased, and perhaps protective. Never the less, I find it interesting that my speculation regarding Vino are being rebutted by bashings of Lance.
you again make zero sense. u brought a nonsensical stupid "speculation" as an insider information - a dead giveaway that ur quite unformed.
 
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Vino's exclusion of Kash is not a recent decision based on UCI guidance. They had a rather bitter falling out after the Tour debacle and have not spoken since. Kash was never going to be part of Astana next year.
 
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So if vino kept his regime up, why did he come back a shadow of his former self?
Shack is a new team? how many astana staff/riders did they take? i only see them as the new USPS, discovery, Astana.

Hard to read how much of this is BS. I hear there was a falling out between the 2 kazakhs, but that could be trumped up by the media. There would have to be something in the way they were done to break a good friendship. Maybe it is a case of the UCI saying one doper we can live with 2 we can't. I was thinking about Cadel's chances next year and climbers that could help, i thought noone better than a bargain basement rasmussen, but what happens to your tour invite?
 
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python said:
you again make zero sense. u brought a nonsensical stupid "speculation" as an insider information - a dead giveaway that ur quite unformed.

Interesting that you criticize me using such... composition.

"unformed"? No, just physically disfigured due to a car many years ago.
 
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benpounder said:
Interesting that you criticize me using such... composition.

"unformed"? No, just physically disfigured due to a car many years ago.
what's interesting there ?

u present yourself as a privy to some special connection with special knowledge that turns out to be uninformed...ignorant in fact.

ignorant of the uci rules on testing for returning riders, ignorant of your hero breaking the rules and the uci being an accomplice, ignorant of the bruyneel's public statement on the true nature of his problems with vino, ignorant of the the whole lot of things. i just don't like the smell when i hear of 'insider knowledge' with so much ignorance that's screaming at you.
 
benpounder said:
No doubt that he is quite inside, and therefore a bit biased, and perhaps protective. Never the less, I find it interesting that my speculation regarding Vino are being rebutted by bashings of Lance.

Not at all. Simply saying that both Vino and Armstrong were in the same situation, regarding out of comp testing, so, it couldn't be a valid reason for Bruyneel's Astana to want to distance itself from the Kazakh.

In fact, it was Lance who was allowed to cut corners to make an early return.
The UCI bent the unbendable rules.

If you see that as Lance bashing, then you must be guilty of Vino bashing, no?
 
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The US court system tells criminals on parole that they can not associate with other current or ex cons, I am glad that the country with the most prisons and prisoners call help the UCI with the Astana team roster. Each team. has a couple of grunts,a sprinter,2 climbers and 2or ex junkies,but no more than 2