Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[Afrank]

Can we stop with the Gilbert and country talk, its not adding anything to the threads discussion.

that's what he said yeah. to get the money from vino that was promised(during the race). most likely though kolobnev bull****ted knowing he didn't have the legs to beat vino and vino knowing this, didn't even pay him until later he started begging for it basically and vino probably felt sorry as well.

Maybe, but that's making a assumption about Kolobnev that can't be proven. I'm willing to bet Kolobnev wasn't just saying that to get the money.

That's just one example of the proof though. Another one is Vino saying in his email "you did the right thing" almost as if he is reassuring him. And if paying riders for their cooperation is as widespread as you have said before then I don't know why he would have to be reassured.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he had to be reassured because kolobnev hadn't been paid yet, for whatever reason

 

[wwabbit]

But it's more or less a victim-less crime (I say more or less because you might argue that the audience might feel "robbed of a true race", I personally think that is BS though). Kolobnev isn't a victim. He could have refused the deal. He probably accepted the deal because he thought he would have lost anyway.

Doping is (obviously) not a victim-less crime.

If you think what Kolobnev and Vino did was a victim-less crime, try putting yourself in the shoes of Kolobnev's teammates in Katusha.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

Considering there are more Dutch people in Belgium than vice versa I think the answer is Belgium.

The only reason I'm constantly defending my country is because you're constantly spouting racist BS and making unfounded statements.

I have to say I watch the cycling in Belgium and the roads look terrible. All those cobbles Belgium could improve that.....

 

[El Pistolero]

I have to say I watch the cycling in Belgium and the roads look terrible. All those cobbles Belgium could improve that.....

What do terrible roads in Belgium have to do with this discussion lol?

Actually, Belgians take better care of their cobbles than their normal roads.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

What do terrible roads in Belgium have to do with this discussion lol?

Actually, Belgians take better care of their cobbles than their normal roads.

yes yes I was being a little sarcastic. Dont shoot me, I'm english, live in Holland and love my trips to Belgium (Great food, beer abd HILLS). But then again I like most countries and even like Boonen AND Cancellara. Life's too short for the hate.

Nooo time for Vino tho, he is just not good for cycling

 

[Altitude]

If you think what Kolobnev and Vino did was a victim-less crime, try putting yourself in the shoes of Kolobnev's teammates in Katusha.

Lol, you're really reaching.

 

[Afrank]

he had to be reassured because kolobnev hadn't been paid yet, for whatever reason

I don't know who would say "you did the right thing" as a way to reassure someone that they would get the money. If Vino was reassuring him that he would be paid he would say something like "don't worry the money will arrive."

I could keep talking about more places in the emails where it is clear that they are talking about the selling of the race but it wouldn't convince you anyways. Descender was right "There's none more blind than he who doesn't want to see." And Vino fans definitely don't want to see, Vino could commit genocide and vino fans would still support him. So unless you want to discuss a real issue here then I'm done trying to convince people.

 

[ramjambunath]

If you mean cheating in the sense that it breaks the rules, then yes it is. And so is wearing a rain coat that isn't transparent or the same colour as your normal jersey. And so riding a saddle that is 279 mm long. And and and...

But it's more or less a victim-less crime (I say more or less because you might argue that the audience might feel "robbed of a true race", I personally think that is BS though). Kolobnev isn't a victim. He could have refused the deal. He probably accepted the deal because he thought he would have lost anyway.

Doping is (obviously) not a victim-less crime.

One can be tried in the court of criminal law, and it's usually not doping btw.

Kolobnev isn't a victim, if he accepted the bribe, he's just as liable to be banned as the person who offers the bribe. Who knows why he accepted the money. Is that even relevant? He accepted the money to not contest.

 

[Matthijs]

Cancellara did not get booed in Flanders, I was there when Cancellara accelerated away from Boonen. Cancellara has his only fanclub in Flanders, please don't be so ignorant.

Never heard of drunken fans in Cyclo-cross? But allthough they attacked groenendaal most, they throw beer over fellow belgium guys to.
But tbh the Duthc guys on the Alpe dHuez are also infamous.

 

[El Pistolero]

Never heard of drunken fans in Cyclo-cross? But allthough they attacked groenendaal most, they throw beer over fellow belgium guys to.
But tbh the Duthc guys on the Alpe dHuez are also infamous.

Every nation has its drunk idiots I suppose. Though I've seen beer thrown over lot's of Belgian cyclocross riders as well.

 

[Echoes]

Never heard of drunken fans in Cyclo-cross? But allthough they attacked groenendaal most, they throw beer over fellow belgium guys to.

Yes, for instance, I've heard of a Dutch perhaps drunken (or not but whatever) fan punching Liboton in the stomach at the Worlds of Oss in 1984.

Not that I want to enter into a battle of wits between Dutchies and Belgians. I'm probably the biggest Netherlands lover among Belgians on this forum, perhaps due to the fact that I'm French-speaking.

Oh yeah, Vino was booed in Liège? Why? Because he was doper, of course? Do you really feel for him? Seriously?

You think he got booed because he won? But folks, I'm talking about the Vuelta stage finishing in Liège, in 2009. I was there. He got booed, and was far from winning that one. All right?

And do we have to be ashamed of ourselves about the clinic matter? I guess so, in some way but not more than any other nations. In the 90's when everybody was knocking it back in, our fellow countrymen were forced to move to Italy because there was no prospect of any of our rider becoming champion if they stayed here in Belgium. Hence there are things which we can be proud of.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that's why vdb was so loved there hypocrites (this is btw coming from one of the biggest vdb fans)

 

[Echoes]

And THIS comes from the biggest VDB hater.

So think before accusing someone of hypocrisy.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

What do terrible roads in Belgium have to do with this discussion lol?

Actually, Belgians take better care of their cobbles than their normal roads.

Yeah, being a Dutch person living in Belgium, I have to say, Flemish roads are al ready bad quality compared to what I'm used to in the Netherlands; the normal roads, not the cobbles, we don't even have cobbles in the Netherlands; but Walloon roads are just terrible. Whenever you're cycling and you think 'how does this even pass for a road?', you've probably crossed the language border, into Wallonia. Those horrible concrete plates for instance; how did anybody ever think that would be a good idea for a road?

Wallonia has nicer scenery and hills, so I go there for cycling, but really, Flanders is a lot more cycling friendly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

And THIS comes from the biggest VDB hater.

So think before accusing someone of hypocrisy.

I'm accusing your people for being hypocrites. or are you going to denie vdb was sene as a god there?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeah, being a Dutch person living in Belgium, I have to say, Flemish roads are al ready bad quality compared to what I'm used to in the Netherlands; the normal roads, not the cobbles, we don't even have cobbles in the Netherlands; but Walloon roads are just terrible. Whenever you're cycling and you think 'how does this even pass for a road?', you've probably crossed the language border, into Wallonia. Those horrible concrete plates for instance; how did anybody ever think that would be a good idea for a road?

Wallonia has nicer scenery and hills, so I go there for cycling, but really, Flanders is a lot more cycling friendly.

it's horrendous indeed. when you cross the border you feel in a third world country. belgium is basically one big old village with ran down houses that pop up and go out of nowhere, while driving on the roads usually means you are sterile for the next few weeks

 

[El Pistolero]

Lol, you're such a dumb ignorant person.

If you want to discuss your hate on Belgium then go do that at your kinder garden school, I'm sure there's plenty of Dutch kids that share your sentiments.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Lol, you're such a dumb ignorant person.

I see I've offended your little country again I've been banned for less verbal assaulting someone however. so be careful not to get banned

 

[El Pistolero]

Ignorance is not an insult.

This is a thread about Vino buying races because he's not good enough to win them for real. Not about your hatred on Belgium. Go visit a third world country before you speak of such things. I can assure you, they don't have much internet there for you to make fun of it online.

If you want to discuss Vino getting booed then this is not the thread for this. He gets booed because he's still denying to have taken doping.

 

[Echoes]

I'm accusing your people for being hypocrite or are you going to denie vdb was sene as a god there?

I'm supposed to repent for all that ever went wrong in my country. Next what? Collaboration with the Nazis, colonizing the Congo,... ?

I deny having seen VdB as a god. You are fan and not me. That says everything.

 

[The Hitch]

Ignorance is not an insult.

This is a thread about Vino buying races because he's not good enough to win them for real.
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Ugh, he just won the Olympic road race, whooping all your favorite riders, and a race (unlike LBL) which is way to prestigious for anyone to ever sell.

 

[El Pistolero]

Ugh, he just won the Olympic road race, whooping all your favorite riders, and a race (unlike LBL) which is way to prestigious for anyone to ever sell.

So what? What does that have to do with not being good enough to win LBL that day?

As if Vino won the Olympics against the best one day riders of that moment.

Gilbert wasted energy in pointless attacks, Cancellara crashed him self out of the race and the rest were watching GB in the Cavendish group.

He whooped Alexander Kristoff alright.

The Olympics have been sold before, could have happened this time as well. Otherwise Uran made one of the dumbest moves in cycling.

Gilbert won the WC in October, did that make him strong enough to win LBL that year?

Vino was good enough for second that year in LBL. But he didn't feel strong enough to beat Kolobnev otherwise he wouldn't have offered him money. That makes his win meaningless to me.

 

[markene2]

 

[BroDeal]

Vino was good enough for second that year in LBL. But he didn't feel strong enough to beat Kolobnev otherwise he wouldn't have offered him money. That makes his win meaningless to me.

If Kolobnev was strong enough to win then he would not have accepted the deal. A win would have been worth more than 150K over his career. He knew his chances of beating Vino were not good so he took the sure thing.