Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[El Pistolero]

If Kolobnev was strong enough to win then he would not have accepted the deal. A win would have been worth more than 150K over his career. He knew his chances of beating Vino were not good so he took the sure thing.

Doesn't matter. Vino offered the money thus had the intention of cheating.

Who knows what other promises were made.

His chances of beating Vino in a sprint were excellent anyway. Vino must also not have been feeling good or he wouldn't have made the deal. So basically you end up with 2 insecure cheaters.

 

[The Hitch]

Doesn't matter. Vino offered the money thus had the intention of cheating.

Who knows what other promises were made.

His chances of beating Vino in a sprint were excellent anyway. Vino must also not have been feeling good or he wouldn't have made the deal. So basically you end up with 2 insecure cheaters.

Bro deal was responding to you saying vino was only good enough for 2nd. Learn to.follow discussions rather than take every comment out of context..its not the.first time in this thread either. You have made a number of digressions and every time people respond you attack them for saying vino didn't cheat when they aren't ****ing talking about whether vino did or didn't cheat they are responding to your stupid side comments.

 

[The Hitch]

Gilbert wasted energy in pointless attacks.

So ****ing what. If that was anyone else, anyone else anyone else in the world you would have relentlessly mocked them.for.being **** 1 day racers as saving your energy is part.of the game.

Hell in the case of cancellara you even say that the strength of the team.is part.of.a 1 day racers own abilities.

Yet with Gilbert you are willing to overlook strategy as some sort of uncontrollable misfortune.

 

[El Pistolero]

No I wasn't. Just saying Vino didn't whoop the best one day riders. That should be obvious to anyone who saw the race. Don't see what his Olympic victory has to do with anything anyway. You're the one going off topic here. So what if Vino won the Olympics? Does that make him immune for cheating? This thread is about Vino cheating, not about you being grumpy that your favorite one day riders failed this season. Don't take it out on Gilbert.

I'm not annoyed at all by who won the Olympics, so why bring it up all the freaking time? It's just a commercial event run by ancient fossils like Jacques Rogge you know.

Vino offered money to bribe Kolobnev, so yeah he was only good enough for second. He knew. If he was strong enough to win the race why offer Kolobnev money in the first place? For me LBL 2010 has no winner because Vino wasn't man enough to take Kolobnev on himself. It's even worse than doping lol. Go watch wrestling with Vino if you like that stuff.

 

[El Pistolero]

Nope, just stating that Vino didn't whoop all the best one day riders. That should be obvious for anyone that saw the event. Gilbert clearly was still insecure about his strength that day and that's why he attacked so soon. An error that's his fault, I have no problem admitting that. Nor am I grumpy about the Olympics result. I'm not annoyed at all by the winner as long as he didn't bribe someone to win it. Stating facts is not the same as finding excuses. Of course your analyses of Vino supposedly whooping all my favorite one day riders is totally objective and has relevance to this discussion. Oh wait.

Don't you know by now that one day races are a combination of strength, wits and luck. Your financial status should have little influence on the race. Vino might be witty, Vino is surely lucky, but Vino was not the strongest. If you want my honest opinion, Cancellara would have made Vino look like a second rate cyclist if he didn't crash.

So please stop trying to rub the results of the Olympics in my face all the time. I honestly do not care that much about a commercial event run by ancient fossils like Jacques Rogge. They're out of touch with reality, and so is the Olympics.

It also has nothing to do with this discussion. This topic is about Vino buying LBL. All the rest is irrelevant.

Vino felt that he wasn't the strongest that day otherwise he would've never offered Kolobnev the money. Even if he was stronger than Kolobnev that day it doesn't matter because Vino obviously didn't care about who was the strongest: he wanted to win at all costs. And he did.

Go watch wrestling with Vino if you like watching him. I do not care for him, he lost all my respect when he offered other cyclists money to lose on purpose. I don't care if this was common practice in the past. Bulimia was also a common practice among Roman aristocrats, doesn't mean you should continue that nonsense. Though apparently some people here think like that: by all means go ahead.

What's your next argument? Vino being a hard man because he swims with dolphins?

Work out your own issues in a different thread please. Perhaps you're feeling annoyed by how this season went because your favorite riders failed at most things. I'm happy with this season, my favorite riders were very successful.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

just give pisti the last word. we all know what a pathetic excuse for a human being he is. he probably has a tatoo of belgium on his balsack

 

[Netserk]

@Pisti

You do know that it could very well be that it was Kolobnev who offered the win to Vino? Perhaps it wasn't Vino bying, but Kolobnev selling..

 

[El Pistolero]

@Pisti

You do know that it could very well be that it was Kolobnev who offered the win to Vino? Perhaps it wasn't Vino bying, but Kolobnev selling..

They still would both be wrong then. But from the e-mails it looks like it happened the other way around though.

You'd feel pretty angry as well if Boonen sold the Ronde to Pozzato wouldn't you?

 

[Netserk]

They still would both be wrong then. But from the e-mails it looks like it happened the other way around though.

You'd feel pretty angry as well if Boonen sold the Ronde to Pozzato wouldn't you?

Yes. Just as I am angry at the way he rode at msr '06.

 

[Konfronto]

Are you serious, blokes?!

Oh gosh, it seems like off-season adds up some real spice to the story.

I am just wondering, how many of you folks are grown ups?

Do you seriously believe that it is possible to ''buy'' one of the best one day race in the world?

Don't you understand that by wining LBL, the winner not only places his name amongst the greatest riders of all time, but also enjoys a fat sum from his team, sponsor, increases his value and thus strengthens his contract, also enjoys potential lucrative contracts from biz around the sport?

Why on earth would a guy with better sprinting abilities offer a guy weaker on the finish to slow down? And from the Kolobnev side, is 100K really worth it? Don think so. According to his palmares, last time his was standing first on the podium was in 2007. By winning LBL 2010 he could've gained a lot more I guess.

Do you really think that Vino bribed all the other riders who had been left behind? Oh come on folks.

Vino proved, just again, that he was always that type of guys who have guts.

Many of you would throw any rubbish at Vino, should you get any chance to do so.

But the rider proved it many times, that he was among the strongest riders not by just words, but by real deeds.

All in all, there is one great Arab proverb: "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on". Peace fellows

 

[El Pistolero]

The dog's all bark but no bite.

Of course it's possible to buy a race in cycling. Don't be so naive.

Does it really matter how cheap Kolobnev sold out? The e-mails say he lost on purpose, that's all that matters.

And nobody is saying Vino bribed all riders, they're saying he bribed Vino. I'm starting to believe Vino fans can't read.

 

[jens_attacks]

The dog's all bark but no bite.

Of course it's possible to buy a race in cycling. Don't be so naive.

Does it really matter how cheap Kolobnev sold out? The e-mails say he lost on purpose, that's all that matters.

And nobody is saying Vino bribed all riders, they're saying he bribed Vino. I'm starting to believe Vino fans can't read.

vino bribed vino



that's a whole new level of vino awesomeness!!!!!!!!!

 

[Netserk]

vino bribed vino



that's a whole new level of vino awesomeness!!!!!!!!!

 

[El Pistolero]

vino bribed vino



that's a whole new level of vino awesomeness!!!!!!!!!

I mean Kolobnev of course.

Kolobnev is easy to forget when you're talking about Vino.

But anyway, I hope we can keep this thread about LBL now. I'm not asking for someone to take away his Olympics title lol, I've never even accused Vino of bribing Uran there like some others.

 

[Konfronto]

vino bribed vino



that's a whole new level of vino awesomeness!!!!!!!!!

And this man's saying that Vino's fans can't read. Oh, dear

 

[El Pistolero]

And this man's saying that Vino's fans can't read. Oh, dear

You can't, otherwise you would've read the e-mails by now. Slip of the mind can happen to anyone, but refusing to read the e-mails tells a different story.

Why would Kolobnev say all those things? He lost on purpose or Vino at least thinks he did.

Your hero is not perfect. You're blindly following him and you call us kids? Ok.

 

[Konfronto]

UCI is undertaking investigation on the matter. So I guess you have all proves that those e-mails are genuine ones. Then please do contribute to the investigation for the sake of judgment. Otherwise, your statements are just your statements, neither more nor less.

 

[Konfronto]

You can't, otherwise you would've read the e-mails by now. Slip of the mind can happen to anyone, but refusing to read the e-mails tells a different story.

Why would Kolobnev say all those things? He lost on purpose or Vino at least thinks he did.

Your hero is not perfect. You're blindly following him and you call us kids? Ok.

UCI is undertaking investigation on the matter. So I guess you have all proves that those e-mails are genuine ones. Then please do contribute to the investigation for the sake of judgment. Otherwise, your statements are just your statements, neither more nor less.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I mean Kolobnev of course.

Kolobnev is easy to forget when you're talking about Vino.

But anyway, I hope we can keep this thread about LBL now. I'm not asking for someone to take away his Olympics title lol, I've never even accused Vino of bribing Uran there like some others.

you mean that kolobnev is easy to forget when you are so obsessed with hating vino since he's regarded as a way bigger cycling star than gilbert will ever be.

 

[El Pistolero]

you mean that kolobnev is easy to forget when you are so obsessed with hating vino since he's regarded as a way bigger cycling star than gilbert will ever be.

Lol, another try at a personal attack.

At the same age Vino had won Amstel Gold Race as his only big one day race. Don't even bother comparing them yet.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

And this man's saying that Vino's fans can't read. Oh, dear

1-2-3 and pisti is going to react to this seriously

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You can't, otherwise you would've read the e-mails by now. Slip of the mind can happen to anyone, but refusing to read the e-mails tells a different story.

Why would Kolobnev say all those things? He lost on purpose or Vino at least thinks he did.

Your hero is not perfect. You're blindly following him and you call us kids? Ok.

and yes he did

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Lol, another try at a personal attack.

At the same age Vino had won Amstel Gold Race as his only big one day race. Don't even bother comparing them yet.

vino also became pro at age 24 instead of 19

besides, has gilbert podiumed yet the tour? or won the vuelta? or do you think he will ever do that?

 

[El Pistolero]

vino also became pro at age 24 instead of 19

besides, has gilbert podiumed yet the tour? or won the vuelta? or do you think he will ever do that?

What does that have to do with anything?

Paolo Bettini is a bigger star than Vino and never won a GT or podiumed the Tour. So is Tom Boonen.

Do I give a damn about when Vino became a pro? Nope, his palmares is what it is. The fact that he became a pro very late also made it possible for him to have a longer career at old age.

Gilbert right now is well ahead of Vino though.

 

[Netserk]

What does that have to do with anything?

Paolo Bettini is a bigger star than Vino and never won a GT or podiumed the Tour. So is Tom Boonen.

Do I give a damn about when Vino became a pro? Nope, his palmares is what it is. The fact that he became a pro very late also made it possible for him to have a longer career at old age.

Gilbert right now is well ahead of Vino though.

Well ahead?

Vino:
Olympic RR (gold and silver)
2*L-B-L
Classic
Vuelta
Tour podium
Stage-races and stages

Gilbert:
WC RR
L-B-L and 2*GdL
Classics and semi-classics
Stages