Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[Kvinto]

So this is why Kolobnev doesn't win things!

if that's the reason he shouldn't worry about possible paying of the 5x year salary at Katusha if he'll be banned.

 

[The Hitch]

What if Vino made the bribe at the begining of the break, not at the end. Wouldnt that make more sense?

Kolobnev is a great rider but they are trying to hold off Valverde Gilbert and Evans.

Vino pays Kolobnev, not at the end, to lose, but rather at the begining, to kill himself for Vino, get the 2nd place while Vino takes the win.

So if we follow this theory to its logical conclusion, without this deal, not Kolobnev but Valverde or Gilbert would have been the winners.

 

[Panda Claws]

What if Vino made the bribe at the begining of the break, not at the end. Wouldnt that make more sense?

Kolobnev is a great rider but they are trying to hold off Valverde Gilbert and Evans.

Vino pays Kolobnev, not at the end, to lose, but rather at the begining, to kill himself for Vino, get the 2nd place while Vino takes the win.

So if we follow this theory to its logical conclusion, without this deal, not Kolobnev but Valverde or Gilbert would have been the winners.

Rewatched the last 10 kms of the race again and it does seem like Kolobnev is taking a bit more relays than he should. Does anyone remember the kilometres before that though?

Perhaps they could have stayed away though because Valverde was not really helping and Gilbert obviously did not want to ride too much for him either.

 

[just some guy]

What if Vino made the bribe at the begining of the break, not at the end. Wouldnt that make more sense?

Kolobnev is a great rider but they are trying to hold off Valverde Gilbert and Evans.

Vino pays Kolobnev, not at the end, to lose, but rather at the begining, to kill himself for Vino, get the 2nd place while Vino takes the win.

So if we follow this theory to its logical conclusion, without this deal, not Kolobnev but Valverde or Gilbert would have been the winners.

Valverde, Gilbert, Vino, Kolobnev or Evans all could have won of course there will now be a 2000 pages discussion on who would have one, but I don´t care except to say 1 of the 5 could have won rather than show bias

 

[El Pistolero]

"Even my wife was not too uneasy by the fact that I was second, because you were the first,” he continued.

If he had been up against someone else, “I would have gone for the victory, glory and bonus (in my contract that I have for these classics). That day I felt stronger than ever. Now it only remains for me to wait patiently to see if all this was not vain. My only comfort is that you won and not one of the natives (Belgian riders, ed.)

Enjoy your 2 year ban Kolobnev

If you thought Pozzato had to be afraid at Flanders for the fans, wait till they see Kolobnev.

 

[jens_attacks]

lol at least they were understanding each other speaking russian.on the other hand virenque was using his fingers to tell the sum which he will pay to jan on the road to courchevel.now that was embarrasing.

also lol at kolobnev's wife being happy for vino=))))))))))))))))my god this is legendary stuff

 

[The Hitch]

Valverde, Gilbert, Vino, Kolobnev or Evans all could have won of course there will now be a 2000 pages discussion on who would have one, but I don´t care except to say 1 of the 5 could have won rather than show bias

Show bias?

Im hardly Gilberts biggest fan on here, just ask Pistolero. I assume some of you want people to say Evans could win any race cos hes the best la la la, but I say, Gilbert or Vavlerde because Gilbert was the one that attacked, dropped both Evans and Valverde and seemed the strongest, so would have won if it came down to attacks, whereas if it came down to a sprint obviously Valverde would have won.

Vino and Kolobnev are obviously ruled out by the implication that Kolobnev would not have pulled had he not recieved the bribe so they can't win since they don't stay away.

 

[just some guy]

Show bias?

Im hardly Gilberts biggest fan on here, just ask Pistolero. I assume some of you want people to say Evans could win any race cos hes the best la la la, but I say, Gilbert or Vavlerde because Gilbert was the one that attacked, dropped both Evans and Valverde and seemed the strongest, so would have won if it came down to attacks, whereas if it came down to a sprint obviously Valverde would have won.

Vino and Kolobnev are obviously ruled out by the implication that Kolobnev would not have pulled had he not recieved the bribe so they can't win since they don't stay away.

No if you look through my history on this type of topic

should have could have would have ( ie you can not change history )but ......

I assume the winner would have been Gilbert or Vino - we have 2 wheel followers (suckers if you like that term, defensive riders) in Valverde and Evans so with Gilbert attacking and Vino attacking 1 of them would have away imo

 

[just some guy]

"Even my wife was not too uneasy by the fact that I was second, because you were the first,” he continued.

If he had been up against someone else, “I would have gone for the victory, glory and bonus (in my contract that I have for these classics). That day I felt stronger than ever. Now it only remains for me to wait patiently to see if all this was not vain. My only comfort is that you won and not one of the natives (Belgian riders, ed.)

Enjoy your 2 year ban Kolobnev

If you thought Pozzato had to be afraid at Flanders for the fans, wait till they see Kolobnev.

can you post all the emails ?

 

[El Pistolero]

can you post all the emails ?

It's on cyclingnews, here's the article: *** edited by mod ***

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emails-between-vinokourov-and-kolobnev-published

Lol, Gilbert to win his second LBL?

 

[The Gnome]

Is it really a mere 20 thousand to win a major classic? God, I think in golf you can play a mediocre tournament and come in about 50th place and win double that...shame really...

 

[jens_attacks]

Lol, Gilbert to win his second LBL?

of course,it's easy.you just have to photoshop his face here:

 

[El Pistolero]

of course,it's easy.you just have to photoshop his face here:

Would be the first time that fourth place actually means you win the race though

At least now we know why Kolobnev is smiling there.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Can't wait to give these two a suitably warm reception on the cote de saint-nicolas next year, along with the natives o course

 

[Cimber]

why would u sell a LBL for a "mere" 100k.

 

[Sofía_]

Did he pay with blood?

 

[Thomsena]

This is not true. He would never do such thing. Vino is no cheate... oh, wait..

 

[Dr. Maserati]

why would u sell a LBL for a "mere" 100k.

As has been pointed out - a guaranteed 100k in your pocket for placing second is a good deal if you are unsure of being able to beat Vino.
Imagine what an idiot you would feel if you turned down the money and still got beaten (that podium photo for one would be very different).

 

[Granville57]

Shocking, I say!

Major Taylor spoke of the same behavior in '99...

















1899

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Hmm, I was pretty sure hacking into someone's e-mail is a crime in most nations out there.

So we're discussing (not so much in this thread, but this was also posted in General News earlier) riders' reputation, basically everyone in that thread assumes they are guilty just because of their reputation being less than perfect, and yet the only source of this rumor is something that is known and 100% guaranteed criminal activity?

I see a lawsuit coming, and I will support that 100% in this case.

P.S. To kind of put the things in perspective, Kolobnev's salary was estimated to be at least 500.000 euros/year, and possible closer to 750.000 euros

You are giving out about assumptions, yet you assume Vino's account was hacked. Why is it Vino assumes it's his account, why not Kolobnevs? And why no other juicy gossip from this hacked account?


It seems far more logical that these emails came from those with access - perhaps Kolobnev did not get what was agreed.
With his case recently being appealed to CAS it may be that he needs every cent including some outstanding debts.
Its also notable that Kolobnev did not comment when contacted by the Swiss magazine.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Shocking, I say!

Major Taylor spoke of the same behavior in '99...

















1899

His email was hacked in 1899?
To be fair the firewalls weren't as good back then.

 

[webvan]

As has been pointed out - a guaranteed 100k in your pocket for placing second is a good deal if you are unsure of being able to beat Vino.
Imagine what an idiot you would feel if you turned down the money and still got beaten (that podium photo for one would be very different).

Zigzactly, if the deal was made early enough it was a no-brainer...for two cheats of course, but then who doesn't cheat in cycling?

 

[Granville57]

His email was hacked in 1899?
To be fair the firewalls weren't as good back then.

 

[Panda Claws]

Gilbert scores wins even when he's not riding.

Nah, just kidding. This really is not the too special, I bet Boasson Hagen and Hushovd made an agreement too before the worlds.

Something like: "Whoever wins gives the other 100k or something."

 

[Fetisoff]

You are giving out about assumptions, yet you assume Vino's account was hacked. Why is it Vino assumes it's his account, why not Kolobnevs? And why no other juicy gossip from this hacked account?


It seems far more logical that these emails came from those with access - perhaps Kolobnev did not get what was agreed.
With his case recently being appealed to CAS it may be that he needs every cent including some outstanding debts.
Its also notable that Kolobnev did not comment when contacted by the Swiss magazine.

If you looked at my comment before that one, I've basically said that I haven't been able to follow cycling the last couple months, so I've asked how did these get leaked. I got a reply that his email was hacked, so I've basically assumed that it was sort of a fact that it was.