- Mar 31, 2010
- 18,136
- 6
- 0
- May 9, 2009
- 638
- 0
- 0
VINO! will clone himself during the off-season, thus allowing him to race every single race on the 2011 calendar and crush the bones of his enemies at any time, on any continent......including your Wed. night cat.4 city crit series.
- Oct 29, 2009
- 2,578
- 0
- 0
Joe, since Vino came back from his time out, he has actually been quite clear and plain spoken about his intentions, ambitions and desires, and has stuck incredibly close to those. Although I would forgive anyone for missing that given, the back-and-forward twists that people have been trying to give to any of his statements.
But if he hadn't won a stage here, and still came ninth with the way this season has gone, I think adding 3 French weeks one more time would have been far too tempting for Vino, no matter what he had said.
Now, I'm quite sure, in his mind, he has vindicated himself with that Tour victory. He will no longer get anywhere near an actual GT win, so there is nothing GT-ish left to add to his (comeback) legacy. Next year, he might repeat the same at best, if he is lucky. If he is very lucky. This year he didn't get it exactly thrown in his lap either.
We saw today what happens when the mind keeps going blindly after a nagging internal voice that won't shut up when it should have, leaving the the body to try to reconcile pretty absurd ambitions with the limitations of age. It doesn't add up to "one more". Getting to an "almost win" situation is quite a feat, but chasing 3 wheels you'll no longer can make up is also where the game stops. Dead.
A 3-week GT is an onslaught on any body, but I guess I don't have to tell you that Joe. Vino knows how he felt during and after the Giro, like he knows how he feels now. I'm sure he can tell the difference with how it was for a younger Vino, and is able to project his natural deterioration forwards by one year too.
I get why someone calls it a day, when there is little to add here, but something to add elsewhere. If you figure that maybe, next year, you probably cannot do both well, but might be able to do one well, what would you do?
After LBL he knows he can compete at the classics at the highest level even with a Giro in his legs. With a GT stage win under his belt, it makes total sense to see what else you can do there if you do just the races that don't require you to squeeze yourself inside out for 3 weeks on the trod. Easier to pick and target, without having to pit up with all the other day in the middle.
Easier to lead a team into too, if you are with a crew that has the capable GT man spot sown up.
I think for us, the viewers, for those that like him in particular, having seen how visible and significant he has been this year (maybe trumping even Cadel for consistency), it is almost a natural reaction to suspend the trappings of reality and give in to the dreamy wish to see him set things alight one more year. The Vino we have come to love. And wishfully assume it would be feasible, given this year's performance at the Giro and TdF.
It's easy to miss what won't be with him though, next year, even ignoring age. I think Vino has been extraordinarily fired up, this year, to hit all his goals (private and team-wise). And probably gone beyond his actual capacity quite a bit. maybe even surprising himself. He certainly surprised me and then some. But that vindication fire has now been extinguished, and another circle around the sun is coming up. It's hard to repeat the same feat on ambers only.
Ask Lance what happens when the fire just ain't there, the belief is ebbing away, and the body is made to chase pipe-dreams.
To me Vino is one of the cycling greats, flawed and all. And entertained me endlessly over the years. He is one daft attacking machine, but its not so much impulsiveness that is behind it. That go-and-go-again attitude has always masked a pretty wise and calculating rider who knows cycling, and his own limits, very well. I'm glad he is stepping out a bit after this year, and concentrates on one type only, and not both.
It means he is far more likely to entertain me at the helm of races I like for another season.
And the way he rides, what's not to like?
But if he hadn't won a stage here, and still came ninth with the way this season has gone, I think adding 3 French weeks one more time would have been far too tempting for Vino, no matter what he had said.
Now, I'm quite sure, in his mind, he has vindicated himself with that Tour victory. He will no longer get anywhere near an actual GT win, so there is nothing GT-ish left to add to his (comeback) legacy. Next year, he might repeat the same at best, if he is lucky. If he is very lucky. This year he didn't get it exactly thrown in his lap either.
We saw today what happens when the mind keeps going blindly after a nagging internal voice that won't shut up when it should have, leaving the the body to try to reconcile pretty absurd ambitions with the limitations of age. It doesn't add up to "one more". Getting to an "almost win" situation is quite a feat, but chasing 3 wheels you'll no longer can make up is also where the game stops. Dead.
A 3-week GT is an onslaught on any body, but I guess I don't have to tell you that Joe. Vino knows how he felt during and after the Giro, like he knows how he feels now. I'm sure he can tell the difference with how it was for a younger Vino, and is able to project his natural deterioration forwards by one year too.
I get why someone calls it a day, when there is little to add here, but something to add elsewhere. If you figure that maybe, next year, you probably cannot do both well, but might be able to do one well, what would you do?
After LBL he knows he can compete at the classics at the highest level even with a Giro in his legs. With a GT stage win under his belt, it makes total sense to see what else you can do there if you do just the races that don't require you to squeeze yourself inside out for 3 weeks on the trod. Easier to pick and target, without having to pit up with all the other day in the middle.
Easier to lead a team into too, if you are with a crew that has the capable GT man spot sown up.
I think for us, the viewers, for those that like him in particular, having seen how visible and significant he has been this year (maybe trumping even Cadel for consistency), it is almost a natural reaction to suspend the trappings of reality and give in to the dreamy wish to see him set things alight one more year. The Vino we have come to love. And wishfully assume it would be feasible, given this year's performance at the Giro and TdF.
It's easy to miss what won't be with him though, next year, even ignoring age. I think Vino has been extraordinarily fired up, this year, to hit all his goals (private and team-wise). And probably gone beyond his actual capacity quite a bit. maybe even surprising himself. He certainly surprised me and then some. But that vindication fire has now been extinguished, and another circle around the sun is coming up. It's hard to repeat the same feat on ambers only.
Ask Lance what happens when the fire just ain't there, the belief is ebbing away, and the body is made to chase pipe-dreams.
To me Vino is one of the cycling greats, flawed and all. And entertained me endlessly over the years. He is one daft attacking machine, but its not so much impulsiveness that is behind it. That go-and-go-again attitude has always masked a pretty wise and calculating rider who knows cycling, and his own limits, very well. I'm glad he is stepping out a bit after this year, and concentrates on one type only, and not both.
It means he is far more likely to entertain me at the helm of races I like for another season.
And the way he rides, what's not to like?
- Apr 26, 2010
- 1,035
- 0
- 0
Meat.jaylew said:
Egregious amounts of meat eaten:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-thanks-aso-for-tour-return
You don't want to know what exactly they're eating.
________
Motorcycle tires
- Nov 7, 2009
- 11,100
- 5,291
- 28,180
- May 13, 2009
- 1,872
- 367
- 11,180
Vino's Diet
"It" was Chuck Norris.
Did you guy's know that Vino's version of a "chocolate milkshake" is a raw porterhouse wrapped around ten Hershey bars, and doused in diesel fuel?
And I meant to post this before...my contacts at the Tour told me that after Vino won stage 13, he ate a whole cake at dinner that night before his teammates could tell him there was a stripper in it...
Moose McKnuckles said:
"It" was Chuck Norris.
Did you guy's know that Vino's version of a "chocolate milkshake" is a raw porterhouse wrapped around ten Hershey bars, and doused in diesel fuel?
And I meant to post this before...my contacts at the Tour told me that after Vino won stage 13, he ate a whole cake at dinner that night before his teammates could tell him there was a stripper in it...
- Mar 31, 2010
- 18,136
- 6
- 0
- Apr 26, 2010
- 1,035
- 0
- 0
Hammer space.ak-zaaf said:
On a more serious note, he does have a secret recipe of sorts.
Every morning he eats "Hercules" oatmeal.
I am quite surprised myself that they are still in production and hasn't disappeared completely after the fall of Soviet Union.
________
Women's health forums
- May 9, 2009
- 638
- 0
- 0
- May 9, 2009
- 638
- 0
- 0
- Jun 9, 2010
- 2,007
- 0
- 0
joe_papp said:
Joe he is going to focus only in the classics next year... He is going to win ALL the classics! and He is going to win La Paris-Roubaix TWICE in the same year...!
Moose McKnuckles said:
LOL!!
joe_papp said:
Diesel fuel when he wants something light but usually he uses F1 fuel
- Mar 13, 2009
- 5,245
- 2
- 0
Steel4Ever said:
Lol he will crush them anyways.
Anywho I don't really understand why my post was deleted, I was just giving my opinion on Vino's win in this year's TdF. Everything I wrote was facts, and I was told to "Go out of this thread. NOW!". I suppose the naughty "d-word" is banned here. However I was not trying to imply that Vino is ***ing now, I just pointed out a funny - or maybe not so funny - coincidence.
Just curious-- anyone else thinking we might see a bit of the old Hinault-LeMond betrayal stuff from Vino in tomorrow's stage? Let's say he gets in the early break and drives it and has five or six minutes by the Tourmalet. . .hmm.
The circumstances are quite perfect for such a scenario: he can always say that he's just "forcing Contador's rivals to chase", "getting in position to help AC on the last climb", "trying to make it onto the podium",etc.. Doesn't lose any face if he gets caught, but if no one chases him hard then who's to say how far up the ladder he might go? Especially with a good final TT.
Probably a farfetched scenario, but after all AC may be gone next year, and it's not like anyone in all of Kazakhstan (including Astana's management) would get mad at Vino if he swiped yellow. . .
The circumstances are quite perfect for such a scenario: he can always say that he's just "forcing Contador's rivals to chase", "getting in position to help AC on the last climb", "trying to make it onto the podium",etc.. Doesn't lose any face if he gets caught, but if no one chases him hard then who's to say how far up the ladder he might go? Especially with a good final TT.
Probably a farfetched scenario, but after all AC may be gone next year, and it's not like anyone in all of Kazakhstan (including Astana's management) would get mad at Vino if he swiped yellow. . .
- Apr 26, 2010
- 1,035
- 0
- 0
I don't really see how VDB, Sanchez, Menchov, Wiggins, Rodriguez, Shleck and Zoidb... eh Leipheimer would watch it all and do nothing.2wheels said:
That's seven different teams, almost half of the peloton.
VDB and Menchov especially since they have teams that look strongest out of the entire peloton, excluding Astana on the third week.
________
SEX ADVICE FORUMS
- May 9, 2009
- 638
- 0
- 0
Christian said:
Guess dope talk is being corralled/restricted to the Clinic.
Besides, this thread is about VINO!'s comeback -- not his past (which is just as severely awesome).
- Mar 31, 2010
- 18,136
- 6
- 0
Christian said:
and we don't want to talk about it. I also love his past and so do most here in fact.
- Apr 26, 2010
- 1,035
- 0
- 0
Is that...
Is that a bear paw covering the upper side of the camera?
________
Mission hills patients collective (mhpc)
Is that a bear paw covering the upper side of the camera?
________
Mission hills patients collective (mhpc)
TRENDING THREADS
-
World Championship 2025: Men’s RR, September 28- Started by Berniece
- Replies: 2K
-
Il Lombardia 2025, monument, October 11- Started by Krzysztof_O
- Replies: 792
-
European Championship 2025: Men’s RR, October 5- Started by Berniece
- Replies: 854
-
Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread- Started by DNP-Old
- Replies: 35K
-
Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread- Started by Lequack
- Replies: 40K
-
World Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, September 21- Started by Berniece
- Replies: 942
-
Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread- Started by RedheadDane
- Replies: 13K
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram