Vinokourov 2010

[Mellow Velo]

Have you noticed how, over the past few years, any rider who goes to Tenerife to "train" is immediately under the 'suspicion of doping' cloud?

Well, almost any rider, that is..............

The press need to apply their "facts" to all, not just those who are easy meat.

 

[flicker]

Have you noticed how, over the past few years, any rider who goes to Tenerife to "train" is immediately under the 'suspicion of doping' cloud?

Well, almost any rider, that is..............

The press need to apply their "facts" to all, not just those who are easy meat.

You are not reffering to weenie LeapHeimer Strong are you?

 

[luckyboy]

Didn't Leipheimer stay in the same hotel as Ferrari in Tenerife? 2006 I think.

 

[theswordsman]

again monumental media lies. blood from another person?? do you know what happens when you get injected with blood from a different person with different values like a higher hematocrite or way higher hemaeglobine? You become ill. not very badly but in no way able to contest in top sport at a major level.

Then what test did he fail before he was kicked out? There had to be one. Was it EPO? Growth hormone? If all of the media reported what they were told, where did the lie come from? People receive blood from other people all the time in hospitals. It's part of the whole Red Cross Blood Drive thing.

Here it is in Cycling News

The Tour de France was rocked by news that Astana's battered team leader, Alexander Vinokourov, tested positive for a homologous blood transfusion after Saturday's time trial in Albi. L'Equipe reported on Tuesday afternoon that the Kazakh's blood had shown evidence of a transfusion from another person with a compatible blood type in an analysis done in the Châtenay-Malabry laboratory. The positive test was later confirmed by the Astana team.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07/jul25news

Here's BBCSport - they're usually pretty reliable

Pre-race favourite Alexandre Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping after winning Saturday's time-trial stage of the Tour de France.

Vinokourov has asked for a second blood sample to be tested, but his Astana team have now withdrawn from the race.

Astana said two distinct types of red blood cells were found in Vinokourov's sample indicating he had had a blood transfusion before Saturday's stage.

If Vinokourov's B-sample also tests positive he faces a two-year ban.

Here's the Associated Press with a story about a conspiracy

Vinokourov, who rides in the colors of his Central Asian country and with the support of its government, was thrown out of the Tour along with his Astana team Tuesday after he tested positive for a banned blood transfusion.

“This is politics,” said Nikolai Proskurin, the deputy head of Kazakhstan’s Cycling Federation.
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“Even before the start (of the Tour) the organizers said that if Vinokourov is among the favorites it would be wrong and no good,” Proskurin told Channel 31 television Wednesday.

Vinokourov told French sports daily L’Equipe he was innocent of doping, and that he was the victim of a “provocation.”

The federation said it was shocked by his positive doping test and urged international cycling officials “not to make any fast conclusions and final accusations against the cyclist and his team,” the official Kazinform news agency said.

“We have to wait for the official results of test A and then get confirmation of test B and other necessary conclusions and examinations,” the federation’s executive director, Alexander Antyshev, said in the statement.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/19932813/

Here's the New York Times - the used to be good.

PAU, France, July 24 — Alexander Vinokourov, the Kazakh cyclist who was once considered a favorite to win the Tour de France, tested positive for the presence of foreign blood cells after the first of two recent stage victories and, along with his entire Astana team, withdrew from the Tour on Tuesday, further plunging the sport into a doping crisis that has eroded the legitimacy of its most prestigious event.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/sports/sportsspecial1/25tour.html

Here's from a journalist who was finally relieved by something he said Sunday

Vinokourov, for his part, was fairly open following the race and in a way, offered a small confession. Call it a refreshing morsel of truth: "I have turned the page now, and I do not want to to return to it. I can also win without doping, and that is most important. I have been working since last year for you, the journalists, and fans, to trust me again. This victory is revenge for me."

When asked if he condemns doping today, Vino replied curtly: "Why would I not? Obviously, we must fight doping. Some still play with fire, but we must work to achieve something. That is why I want to show what I do now. As for 2007? I do not want to return to it. I served my two year suspension. We're here to talk about my victory."

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=8185&status=True&catname=Latest News

I'm putting myself in Time Out until the Giro for being goaded into the out of Clinic doping talk.

What do you say Vino tested for and was punished for?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

so you believe he was set up? really?

there's never been any evidence of him using another guy's blood. for god sake do you even know how blooddoping works?? they take out blood from your body while it has high hematocryte for instance after having taken epo or better yet after having trained at high altitude and store that blood and inject it later and even that is risky itself. there's never anything said about him or hamilton taking another guy's blood. where is uci press release about that?

edit: and to the guy above me wow a bunch of newssites have taken over one another articles. again where is the uci release or that from wada or aso where it says vino tested positive with another guys blood because that's just insane since if he's using another guy's blood that is apparently much better than why isn't that guy cycling? and again not to mention the insane risks of becoming ill because after any bloodtransfusion even with your own blood sometimes you can become sick.

 

[fatandfast]

Vino and his management are making a huge mistake by responding to the press. He is racing riders not writers. He should do all his talking with his legs. Learn from Sastre and Alberto they speak Spanish the 3rd most spoken tongue, the misinterps from some Kazikstan dialect to Eng,French,Spanish and on and on can only be a disaster. Just keep peeing and keep winning. The rest will work itself out. The guy is flying why even read the papers just race.

 

[hfer07]

Vino and his management are making a huge mistake by responding to the press. He is racing riders not writers. He should do all his talking with his legs.

Agreed, but nevertheless he brought the heat on himself--it's just difficult to eliminate completely all doubts on his performances, since we-the fans & the cycling community-have been betrayed many times and those scars are difficult to fade.
I didn't mind his latest statement, but it has to stop right there, and instead he fights back by keeping his mouth shut, by winning races & most of all not testing positive--that's all. If he accomplishes that this year, then the allegations will go away.

 

[ferryman]

Agreed, but nevertheless he brought the heat on himself--it's just difficult to eliminate completely all doubts on his performances, since we-the fans & the cycling community-have been betrayed many times and those scars are difficult to fade.
I didn't mind his latest statement, but it has to stop right there, and instead he fights back by keeping his mouth shut, by winning races & most of all not testing positive--that's all. If he accomplishes that this year, then the allegations will go away.

I agree with all of that apart from the last sentence which makes me a hypocrite. I don't believe the allegations or suspicions ever go away. Hypocrite, because I do believe in Dave Millar's return and results.

 

[unsheath]

there's never been any evidence of him using another guy's blood. for god sake do you even know how blooddoping works?? they take out blood from your body while it has high hematocryte for instance after having taken epo or better yet after having trained at high altitude and store that blood and inject it later and even that is risky itself. there's never anything said about him or hamilton taking another guy's blood. where is uci press release about that?

edit: and to the guy above me wow a bunch of newssites have taken over one another articles. again where is the uci release or that from wada or aso where it says vino tested positive with another guys blood because that's just insane since if he's using another guy's blood that is apparently much better than why isn't that guy cycling? and again not to mention the insane risks of becoming ill because after any bloodtransfusion even with your own blood sometimes you can become sick.

I suggest you read about the differences between autologous and homogolous blood transfusions before you post here again.

 

[BroDeal]

there's never been any evidence of him using another guy's blood. for god sake do you even know how blooddoping works?? they take out blood from your body while it has high hematocryte for instance after having taken epo or better yet after having trained at high altitude and store that blood and inject it later and even that is risky itself. there's never anything said about him or hamilton taking another guy's blood. where is uci press release about that?

edit: and to the guy above me wow a bunch of newssites have taken over one another articles. again where is the uci release or that from wada or aso where it says vino tested positive with another guys blood because that's just insane since if he's using another guy's blood that is apparently much better than why isn't that guy cycling? and again not to mention the insane risks of becoming ill because after any bloodtransfusion even with your own blood sometimes you can become sick.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Vino and his management are making a huge mistake by responding to the press. He is racing riders not writers. He should do all his talking with his legs. Learn from Sastre and Alberto they speak Spanish the 3rd most spoken tongue, the misinterps from some Kazikstan dialect to Eng,French,Spanish and on and on can only be a disaster. Just keep peeing and keep winning. The rest will work itself out. The guy is flying why even read the papers just race.

Vino speaks very good French. He gave his post race interviews primarily in French. I have not seen the press conference, but would bet that it was conducted largely in French as well, since many of the reporters would not understand Russian or Kazakh.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Vino and his management are making a huge mistake by responding to the press.

I don't agree, i think it was a necessary thing to do.

He is racing riders not writers. He should do all his talking with his legs. Learn from Sastre and Alberto they speak Spanish the 3rd most spoken tongue, the misinterps from some Kazikstan dialect to Eng,French,Spanish and on and on can only be a disaster.

Well for starters, he speaks very fluent french, hacing lived in France for all of his professional carrier.

I also read both press-releases in english and in russian. Translation is near perfect and clear.

Just keep peeing and keep winning. The rest will work itself out. The guy is flying why even read the papers just race.

This, this i agree with. Go, Vino!
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[markene2]

Vinos kids pariticipated in their first race.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://astanafans.com/perelistyvaya-stranicw-doktora-ferrari.html&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com#more-27506

 

[Beech Mtn]

I liked the part where it talks about Vino's two sons attacking together. There are pictures of these two boys riding around their house in yellow jerseys signed by Alberto Contador and talking about winning the Tour in 2025. Can you imagine having two Vinos in the peloton one day, going nuts and attacking the field?

 

[Ferminal]

I liked the part where it talks about Vino's two sons attacking together. There are pictures of these two boys riding around their house in yellow jerseys signed by Alberto Contador and talking about winning the Tour in 2025. Can you imagine having two Vinos in the peloton one day, going nuts and attacking the field?

Dad in the team car "ATTACK NOW, THEN ATTACK AGAIN".

 

[Beech Mtn]

Dad in the team car "ATTACK NOW, THEN ATTACK AGAIN".

Which is another reason he has to be very careful not to get popped doping again. Really hoping he's clean now.

 

[Oldman]

I agree with all of that apart from the last sentence which makes me a hypocrite. I don't believe the allegations or suspicions ever go away. Hypocrite, because I do believe in Dave Millar's return and results.

That's where reality comes to play, the differential of results. Millar's results are more likely clean.

 

[markene2]

Vinokourov has a new strategy for the mountains at the Giro!

 

[Delicato]

Vino and his management are making a huge mistake by responding to the press. He is racing riders not writers. He should do all his talking with his legs. Learn from Sastre and Alberto they speak Spanish the 3rd most spoken tongue, the misinterps from some Kazikstan dialect to Eng,French,Spanish and on and on can only be a disaster. Just keep peeing and keep winning. The rest will work itself out. The guy is flying why even read the papers just race.

I guess you meant misinterpretations from Russian to English Vinokourov doesn't speak Kazakh.

 

[MrContador]

Here's an interview with him from the pre-Giro pressconference: http://astanafans.com/press-conference-before-the-giro-alexandre-vinokourov.html

 

[Angliru]

I am so disgusted with this result . The sport will never move forward and regain any credibility while proven cheats like Vino are allowed to race , get paid big dollars and win accolades . Same on the sport and a Black day I say .

Shouldn't you be mad at the UCI along with Vino or just UCI alone? Yes, Vino cheated. He served his time as he was supposed to and came back to the sport. Is there some unwritten rule that states that if you come back from suspension that you must ride as a domestique for the rest of your career?
I must have missed that. Should he once again get busted then his career is over. Of course based on the history of the testing we won't know until later in the year if he was in fact riding dirty.

 

[ridley]

Shouldn't you be mad at the UCI along with Vino or just UCI alone? Yes, Vino cheated. He served his time as he was supposed to and came back to the sport. Is there some unwritten rule that states that if you come back from suspension that you must ride as a domestique for the rest of your career?
I must have missed that. Should he once again get busted then his career is over. Of course based on the history of the testing we won't know until later in the year if he was in fact riding dirty.

+1 - I agree with you wholeheartedly.

The part that really gets me is the people that want to sling mud because Vino WON a race or two, therefore he MUST be doping again. Basso has delivered squat, therefore he is CLEAN. Millar rides like a yo-yo and has some great result and therefore must be clean too...

Give the guy a break and let's assume innocent until proven guilty ....

 

[Mathew]

Dad in the team car "ATTACK NOW, THEN ATTACK AGAIN".

Spitting out my coffee.

 

[BroDeal]

 

[Oldman]

I hope I don't meet any of you at a race sporting this saddle.