Vinokourov 2010

[Ben Edols]

Vino wins Liege , Black Mark on the sport

I am so disgusted with this result . The sport will never move forward and regain any credibility while proven cheats like Vino are allowed to race , get paid big dollars and win accolades . Same on the sport and a Black day I say .

 

[flicker]

I am so disgusted with this result . The sport will never move forward and regain any credibility while proven cheats like Vino are allowed to race , get paid big dollars and win accolades . Same on the sport and a Black day I say .

Mssr. Edols,

All I can do is send you a black handcerceif, an autographed photo of Greg LeMond and a copy of from Lance to Landis by Davide Walsh.

Harden-up man. This is Pro-Cycling enjoy!

 

[dolophonic]

These idealists.. like they never watched cycling for all these years.
People love to complain, this is the sport as it has always been.... love it or hate it.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3...ms-with-Vinokourov-in-the-Tour-de-France.aspx

Vino will be at the Tour

 

[Francois the Postman]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3...ms-with-Vinokourov-in-the-Tour-de-France.aspx

Vino will be at the Tour

Hurrah! and then some more stuff

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I am so disgusted with this result . The sport will never move forward and regain any credibility while proven cheats like Vino are allowed to race , get paid big dollars and win accolades . Same on the sport and a Black day I say .

 

[-shady-]

have to agree with Ben, sad day indeed no matter how good he is

 

[python]

have to agree with Ben, sad day indeed no matter how good he is

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[-shady-]

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[theswordsman]

+1
he is certainly one of the best tters, not sure if he's 3d best.

I guess we'll find out. I read this morning that one of his goals is to beat Cancellara for the World Time Trial Championship this year.

Prudhomme said Vino is welcome at the Tour, which is a relief for me as a Contador fan. I guess the one possible obstacle (to his participation) is the year's salary he'll have to pay if the CAS rules against him.

How come? That’s what someone asked in the winner’s post-race press conference on Sunday. Vinokourov answered in the only way he knows how. “I never stopped training,” he said about his two-year suspension. “And in January, to prepare for this season, I was doing seven-hour rides in the mountains, with 5,000 meters (16,000 feet) of climbing.”

Vinokourov has never admitted to cheating, but in saying Sunday, “I wanted to prove that I can win without doping,” he was really making such an admission. His comeback began at the end of last year, when as a team-less rider, he won three time trials, and then played important roles in the world road championship (eighth) and the Tour of Lombardy (seventh).

But his latest streak of form — winning at Lìège only two days after he took the mountainous, four-day Giro del Trentino — came as a result of an intense period of altitude training on the massive Mount Teide on the Spanish island of Tenerife. One French sportswriter asked Vinokourov whether he went to Tenerife to be with the infamous Operación Puerto blood-doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes (who lives there) or Italian trainer Michele Ferrari.

“No, I don’t train with Ferrari anymore. Nor with anyone else, come to that. I have plenty of experience and I train alone most of the time,” he said.

Read more: http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...ourovs-unpopular-victory_113199#ixzz0mCae5P2e

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I am so disgusted with this result . The sport will never move forward and regain any credibility while proven cheats like Vino are allowed to race , get paid big dollars and win accolades . Same on the sport and a Black day I say .

I can't believe how you could call yourself a cyclingfan.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I can't believe the hypocrite (racist?) bull**** here. Millar wins a timetrial everyone is happy. Basso returns, everyone thinks he's cool. Leukemans comes back after not(!) sitting out his sentence and rides liker the stars everyone thinks he's a cool new prospect and his testosterone levels are forgotten immediately. Museeuw is still seen as a hero in Belgium and Boogerd in The Netherlands. Lance Armstrong humiliated his drugged opponents in the Tour for 7 years! And we all believe he is clean of course because he wrote so in his book! Yet when Vino actually sat out his 2 year sentence and returns and wins everyone gets mad because(?) Vino is from Eastern-Europe so they can never be trusted??

 

[Oldman]

I can't believe the hypocrite (racist?) bull**** here. Millar wins a timetrial everyone is happy. Basso returns, everyone thinks he's cool. Leukemans comes back after not(!) sitting out his sentence and rides liker the stars everyone thinks he's a cool new prospect and his testosterone levels are forgotten immediately. Museeuw is still seen as a hero in Belgium and Boogerd in The Netherlands. Lance Armstrong humiliated his drugged opponents in the Tour for 7 years! And we all believe he is clean of course because he wrote so in his book! Yet when Vino actually sat out his 2 year sentence and returns and wins everyone gets mad because(?) Vino is from Eastern-Europe so they can never be trusted??

There is some serious Nationalistic bias on the forum. I agree but you would also have to agree that Vino comes from a rather strong, unrepentant sports history. Not that he's Kazakh but that alot of the doping technology was perfected in Eastern Europe and imported everywhere.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

There is some serious Nationalistic bias on the forum. I agree but you would also have to agree that Vino comes from a rather strong, unrepentant sports history. Not that he's Kazakh but that alot of the doping technology was perfected in Eastern Europe and imported everywhere.

Wow does that mean I can't trust my neighbor because he is born in the same country as Adolf Hitler?

 

[buckwheat]

I can't believe the hypocrite (racist?) bull**** here. Millar wins a timetrial everyone is happy.

Everyone? That was also a while ago before the rock was completely lifted up and the creepy crawlies exposed.

Basso returns, everyone thinks he's cool. Leukemans comes back after not(!) sitting out his sentence and rides liker the stars everyone thinks he's a cool new prospect and his testosterone levels are forgotten immediately.

Everyone again? Why do you like setting up strawmen?

Museeuw is still seen as a hero in Belgium and Boogerd in The Netherlands.

That speaks more to the mentality of the people in those countries.

Lance Armstrong humiliated his drugged opponents in the Tour for 7 years! And we all believe he is clean of course because he wrote so in his book!

The only people who believe in him are the one's standing outside their offices with yellow wristbands who are taking cigarette breaks.

Yet when Vino actually sat out his 2 year sentence and returns and wins everyone gets mad because(?) Vino is from Eastern-Europe so they can never be trusted??

Vino is a douche. He is either the best thing that's happened to cycling or the final nail in the coffin. My hopes for the former are slim and slim...........

 

[buckwheat]

Wow does that mean I can't trust my neighbor because he is born in the same country as Adolf Hitler?

You live next door to Schwarzenegger?

 

[theswordsman]

There is some serious Nationalistic bias on the forum. I agree but you would also have to agree that Vino comes from a rather strong, unrepentant sports history. Not that he's Kazakh but that alot of the doping technology was perfected in Eastern Europe and imported everywhere.

But Vino was busted for having blood from another person - something that was testable at the time. Definitely not cutting edge stuff. If he'd have used stored blood of his own, he wouldn't have had two years off.

I think the response to Vino last week was really close to that towards Ricco, at least from news stories that I read. With Ricco, a lot of it had to do with his attitude and statements coming back (seasoned by the way he treated his girlfriend). He raced the first Giro that I ever watched, and he was the only negative thing about the race for me.

Rassmussen was booted for lying about what country he was in the month before, and he hasn't been welcomed back with open arms.

Basso was different because he removed himself from the limelight, and went to great lengths to be transparent in his comeback, posting the SRM data for his workouts and races on the Mapei Training website, along with all of his test results. If Basso had won a monument, he wouldn't have told the people about to write about him that this was "revenge".

I'm not against Vino, just trying to point out why some people might be rougher on him than on some other guys.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But Vino was busted for having blood from another person - something that was testable at the time. Definitely not cutting edge stuff. If he'd have used stored blood of his own, he wouldn't have had two years off.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that both Vino and Tyler were found to have another persons blood in their systems and each time a teammate tested positive for the same exact thing. The only thing not cutting edge was the way the bags were labled.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You live next door to Schwarzenegger?

no I couldn't afford that

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

But Vino was busted for having blood from another person - something that was testable at the time. Definitely not cutting edge stuff. If he'd have used stored blood of his own, he wouldn't have had two years off.

I think the response to Vino last week was really close to that towards Ricco, at least from news stories that I read. With Ricco, a lot of it had to do with his attitude and statements coming back (seasoned by the way he treated his girlfriend). He raced the first Giro that I ever watched, and he was the only negative thing about the race for me.

Rassmussen was booted for lying about what country he was in the month before, and he hasn't been welcomed back with open arms.

Basso was different because he removed himself from the limelight, and went to great lengths to be transparent in his comeback, posting the SRM data for his workouts and races on the Mapei Training website, along with all of his test results. If Basso had won a monument, he wouldn't have told the people about to write about him that this was "revenge".

I'm not against Vino, just trying to point out why some people might be rougher on him than on some other guys.

again monumental media lies. blood from another person?? do you know what happens when you get injected with blood from a different person with different values like a higher hematocrite or way higher hemaeglobine? You become ill. not very badly but in no way able to contest in top sport at a major level.

 

[MagnusW]

Press release from Astana

" While reading the press comments regarding my last victory in Liege-Bastogne-
Liege I was deeply saddened. I don’t understand this persecution against me.
I can’t do anything against the doubts hanging over me since the 2007 case, but
I reject all the accusations brought against me today, without any evidence.
Since my return in August, I have always been honest with the press, I
responded to all requests for interviews, I have hidden nothing.
Ironically, my victory in Liège seems to revive old jealousies for which I am not
responsible. The media comments contrast with the hundreds of congratulatory
messages from fans that I keep getting on my website and my Facebook page. I
don’t understand this discrepancy.
As if I had to be forbidden of success on my bike to leave everyone with a clear
conscience. In which sport are we allowed to be at the start of a competition
without the right to win?
I love cycling, it gave me everything and I want to give its good things in return.
I paid two years on suspension for the dark years of my career. If I repeated that
I didn’t want to talk about it, it’s only for the sake of my sport. I don’t think
cycling needs to reconsider all these dirty stories to move forward. This is my
personal vision of this problem, everybody is not obliged to share it. Obviously
my attitude that I consider the most correct and most respectful way possible is
one more time misinterpreted. I'm sorry.
Again, I have nothing to hide. Since my come back I have been the subject of
more than 30 doping tests, all negatives, including 21 in the context of the
Adams. This allows me to validate my biological passport and therefore to run. In
Tenerife, where I had my recent training before the Tour of Trentino that rosed
the indignation of some journalists, I was subject to two unannounced blood and
urine tests in two weeks. I can’t do more than what the sport regulations ask
me, to prove my honesty.
Today, I only wish to be respected as I respect everyone, my colleagues in the
peloton as the journalists. I don’t want to be the only and too easy target for all
the ills of cycling. " Alexandre Vinokourov

 

[flicker]

Just watching some of vinos past wins pre ban, he looked to be on rocket fuel.

It is more than the doping positive, it was the way he rode and won that made red lights for me. ie aggressive riding with Kashetkin after both had crashed badly. They both came back from the crashes way to strong.

Great rider and I like his personality, but still red lights when I see him or hear his name.

 

[metaCYCLE]

red lights

honestly i find it hard to believe that Vino would be so foolish to do it again at least considering his status in his home country and the paternal role at Astana...

 

[mpscalzi]

again monumental media lies. blood from another person?? do you know what happens when you get injected with blood from a different person with different values like a higher hematocrite or way higher hemaeglobine? You become ill. not very badly but in no way able to contest in top sport at a major level.

so you believe he was set up? really?

 

[flicker]

honestly i find it hard to believe that Vino would be so foolish to do it again at least considering his status in his home country and the paternal role at Astana...

Ulrich, Kloeden, Zabel,, Vinokurov, Lance: my favorite riders.

All cut from the same cloth unfortunatley.