PDBD has an issue with pacing and descents in it. They do like 6.1 for 18 minutes then they finish at 8 W/kg. That is not good for high numbers. Basically Pog hasn't had an ideal climb in ideal circumstances in ages.Ah, before the stage I actually predicted a VAM fest here so maybe I shouldn't oppose right now The magnitude of the fest really shocked me though. I can't tell you name out of my head but Vuelta 2019 had some very good unipuerto numbers (i.e. by Roglic and Valverde) but not this. Last year's TdF had PDBF and Pog and Vinge didn't even get close to 1900 m/h (for only 20 minutes).
PDBD has an issue with pacing and descents in it. They do like 6.1 for 18 minutes then they finish at 8 W/kg. That is not good for high numbers. Basically Pog hasn't had an ideal climb in ideal circumstances in ages.
Harder stage. Finish wasn't at the top.Col d'Eze this year - Pog did 1850 m/h for about 15 minutes. It was really fast and low elevation, not even close to yesterday despite shorter effort. It was less steeper but shorter effort should compensate for that.
I didn't mean derogatory term. It's just his strategy.Why would you suggest wheelsucking, a derogatory term; played into Roglic's strategy? Sitting behind the 2nd place rival whose team is driving the finish with a minimal, points-based likely winning factor may be the only way to race. Thanks, DQS for the lead out.
Roglic put in a turn near the finish to stretch and inspire the compulsive element in the pack to be frisky since they may have though that's all he had to give.
They all bit on the bait and he showed he was a)Stronger b) Faster. There was little to no aerodynamic benefit to sitting behind anyone; in fact tactically it has proven to be a hindrance to picking a sprint line in some of these tight finishes.
I agree that there's no need to provide excuses for Remco. He's supremely talented and no doubt will realize he left his sprint 3km down the road....He's strong and will be tactically amazing as well at some point.
Harder stage. Finish wasn't at the top.
Also with a harder stage the day before.
The whole peloton is faster now than back then.
2019 Vuelta was good climbing times at the time but not insane.The whole peloton is faster now than back then.
Yeah, of course he is wheelsucking. Just think of stage 16 in La Vuelta....Naturally, but that's not the point. Roglic doesn't take the initiative, but follows, at times won't pull through, to then capitalize on his mischief. It's the right tactic for him, but I can't root for such a racer. It's a matter of taste. There are those who love it, but not me.
So you like riders attacking, but you also like riders gifting away stages. Does not make much sense.I guess I'm just less generous towards those who rub me the wrong way with how they ride. But I realize there is no rational explanation for it, although fandom, and I'm talking about sport in general, implies a suspension of reason to some extent. There is no "reason," for example, why I should wish rider x to win and rider y to lose miserably, when personally I know neither. Perhaps rider y is a lovely chap, while rider x an unsupportable douchbag? Maybe they are both fine chaps, so why would I prefer one over the other?
On the other hand, I can think of one occasion that sealed my distaste for Roglic's modus operandi, which is a better version of Valverde's (who I never felt enthusiasm for, for basically the same reason) in the mountains; it's when he stomped that guy at the P-N, denying him what would have been more than a hard-earned victory, when Primoz didn't need the win, being as he was already in the race lead and having gained more time on his direct rivals. After that I simply had no sympathy for his cause, despite recognizing he admirably deals with the misfortunes that have befallen him, starting with crashing in that very P-N, irrevocably losing the lead. It's just one of those things.
That’s a shame on the other hand we’ll now get a Remco solo of 26km’s instead of 12yeah, it was officially announced the other day:
Because of safety reasons, a change in the route of the 6th stage of the 2023 Volta a Catalunya between Martorell and Molins de Rei was agreed. Attached you wiwww.voltacatalunya.cat
Sure - everyone’s free to prefer the style of their choosing. I would surely like if Rogla attacked more, like Remco and Pog for instance. It’s not so much in his nature, he really does lean more towards being efficient. But accusing him of being a wheelsucker (I don’t even remember now if it was you who claimed that) is I think recency bias. He took the initiative when he had to in the past - when the situation called for it. Last years Vuelta when he dropped Remco is one of these examples, 2021 Itzulia is another. But yeah, he does that way less often than the two gentlemen I mentioned and from shorter distance which is less attractive for spectators. Though I would argue he has another type of panache (stomp) which can be very entertaining for his fans.
That being said - today was an example when doing that would be a clear tactical error. He was brought the race to him by Remco on a silver platter and it’s hard accusing someone of not taking the initiative when his approach was clearly tactically correct.
I do not agree. He is payed to win races and not to gift away wins. Also, his team worked at the front quite hard and they all do get a bonus for a stage win, so going for the win is the only reasonable thing in my opinion. Also, I think this narative was started by the poor excuse of an analyst that is Brian Smith and it was only for that particular stage. Other times riders have been caught at the line and it is business as usual. Even Mäder himself said he needed to be better to win the stage, that is how it is in professional racing.No "gifting," in that sense, not only demonstrates true nobility, but is also strategically intelligent...as look what then ensued when he crashed.
Rogla said he was and I tend to belive him over some rider with no pro victories. I also looked at the video and it seems to me Wright was braced for impact just before they collided, which means he anticipated the crash and did nothing (or very little) to avoid it. I presume he was thinking this is my chance to get a top 4 for once in my life even if I have to crash...Vuelta last year? I think it's been well-established that Wright wasn't at fault.
Rogla said he was and I tend to belive him over some rider with no pro victories. I also looked at the video and it seems to me Wright was braced for impact just before they collided, which means he anticipated the crash and did nothing (or very little) to avoid it. I presume he was thinking this is my chance to get a top 4 for once in my life even if I have to crash...