Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2025, March 24-30

[Peyroteo94]

The less you like Roglic, the less the feat seems.

You missed the point. How many TdF winners raced (in their best years) all one week stage races?

 

[tobydawq]

You missed the point. How many TdF winners raced (in their best years) all one week stage races?

Not many, I guess.

Roglic never rode all one week stage races either.

And I think I got the point.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not many, I guess.

Roglic never rode all one week stage races either.

And I think I got the point.

If no one has ever tried to do it, how is this a huge feat? Not even Roglic cares about that.

 

[tobydawq]

If no one has ever tried to do it, how is this a huge feat? Not even Roglic cares about that.

Yes, very hard to grasp how it would be a huge feat winning all the biggest one-week stage races in the world.

 

[Netserk]

A third Dauphiné would be a greater feat than Tour de Suisse.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

A third Dauphiné would be a greater feat than Tour de Suisse.

Agree, but would love for him to win all seven. If he won each of them twice, that would be marvellous.

 

[tobydawq]

A third Dauphiné would be a greater feat than Tour de Suisse.

Why?

 

[Netserk]

Why?

Because Dauphiné is the greatest one-week stage race and I rate the record in that higher than the contrived Gotta Catch 'Em All.

 

[tobydawq]

Because Dauphiné is the greatest one-week stage race and I rate the record in that higher than the contrived Gotta Catch 'Em All.

You didn't play Pokémon correctly then.

 

[Red Rick]

I would definitely prefer to win Switserland, cause that is actually your own piece of cycling history.

That said I would need to be convinced it doesn't signficantly affect my TdF prep cause that achievement isn't TdF big at all. It's a nice bonus, not a main achievement.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I remember Rebellin more for having done the Ardennes triple than winning a then record tying third FW. I also don't rate Dauphiné that highly. I mean Moreau and Valverde both won it twice.

 

[Netserk]

I remember Rebellin more for having done the Ardennes triple than winning a then record tying third FW. I also don't rate Dauphiné that highly. I mean Moreau and Valverde both won it twice.

Difference is that Flèche is the least prestigious of the three (both now and then), whereas Dauphiné is like Liège to Suisse's Amstel.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Difference is that Flèche is the least prestigious of the three (both now and then), whereas Dauphiné is like Liège to Suisse's Amstel.

Naturally, nothing will beat Itzulia in my book. But no matter what, doing something impressive than no one has done before will be a greater accomplishment than equaling the record in Dauphiné.

It would obviously come with an asterisk, because a) it's not something that anyone has really targeted before and b) other stage races have been seen as important over the years.

 

[tobydawq]

Difference is that Flèche is the least prestigious of the three (both now and then), whereas Dauphiné is like Liège to Suisse's Amstel.

Twenty years ago, Suisse was the fourth biggest stage race.

But it's true that these days, the start list quality isn't exactly trending upwards.

 

[Netserk]

Naturally, nothing will beat Itzulia in my book. But no matter what, doing something impressive than no one has done before will be a greater accomplishment than equaling the record in Dauphiné.

It would obviously come with an asterisk, because a) it's not something that anyone has really targeted before and b) other stage races have been seen as important over the years.

There's two aspects. The difference in prestige between an ordinary victory of the two races and then the difference in prestige between the two particular achievements (regardless of what triggered it). While you can say that the shared record is unimportant (granted), I still don't think that makes up for the difference in inherent prestige of the two races.

 

[Red Rick]

Twenty years ago, Suisse was the fourth biggest stage race.

But it's true that these days, the start list quality isn't exactly trending upwards.

Suisse needs to move to the same week as the Dauphine.

 

[Netserk]

Suisse needs to move to the same week as the Dauphine.

Tuesday to Wednesday would also help.

 

[acm]

If he could attack on the Fossombrone stage, he could attack at Bergamo Alta (crash notwithstanding). But you're right, he did have his crash and was likely more affected by it than was ever communicated to us.

He could also have attacked the stage 1 TT a bit harder than he did

Actually Gloag said in a podcast a few months ago that Roglič couldn't even walk down the stairs. Also his coach said he didn't really believe he could still win the Giro after that crash. Plus he had covid.

 

[Bertram Wooster]

People talk like winning all one week stage races is a huge feat. It isn't... even if no one has ever made it. I don't even think any multiple TdF winner has ever raced all races.

Contador end Froome definitely rode all of them.

And of course it is a huge feat. Richie even did TA in his last season to try to podium all 7.

 

[tobydawq]

Actually Gloag said in a podcast a few months ago that Roglič couldn't even walk down the stairs. Also his coach said he didn't really believe he could still win the Giro after that crash. Plus he had covid.

He had covid too?

And it didn't destroy his life and career that he continued. If Remco had just known that...

 

[Red Rick]

He had covid too?

And it didn't destroy his life and career that he continued. If Remco had just known that...

Evenepoel looked a lot more symptomatic than Roglic ever did during that Giro.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

There's two aspects. The difference in prestige between an ordinary victory of the two races and then the difference in prestige between the two particular achievements (regardless of what triggered it). While you can say that the shared record is unimportant (granted), I still don't think that makes up for the difference in inherent prestige of the two races.

He'd get his name on an accomplishment that he will forever be the first one to get. Its prestige will probably also only increase over time, because it will prove to be very hard equal and/or only the biggest name will be able to do it.

 

[gavia88]

A third Dauphiné would be a greater feat than Tour de Suisse.

I don't think so. Historically Tour de Suisse is a bigger race. Only in the last 25 years it's on the decline in terms of importancy. But also is the Dauphinée really the greatest one week race? I think PN is more important actually, both historically as recently. The Dauphinée is just something like the E3 is to RVV.

 

[Escarabajo]

So Roglic did score 400 points and Pederson 500 points today. LOL. Quite the same ...

 

[Samamba]

So Roglic did score 400 points and Pederson 500 points today. LOL. Quite the same ...

Roglic scored 450 points today and 538 this week.