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khardung la said:
IMO you are wrong about that. It is huge during Tour and Vuelta. In the main online newspaper (El Mundo) the sports section has some subheadings: football,motor, basketball, tennis, cycling, other sports. You can check that here http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/index.html

In Marca (first sport newspaper)http://www.marca.com/ the order of subheadings is:

* Fútbol
* Motor
* Baloncesto
* Tenis
* Ciclismo
* Golf
* Atletismo
* Balonmano
* Más Deportes
* Toros

In As http://www.as.com/(second sport newspaper)

# Fútbol
# Baloncesto
# Motor
# Tenis
# Ciclismo
# Más deporte

All agree in cycling being the 5th sport in Spain, and they most logically rely in their own statistics (clicks).

A few comments about this.

First of all im generaly a pessimist (better to expect the worse than hope for the best and all that) so when i see it not come in the top 5 i accept the findings.

but what the poll doesnt take into account is that people for whom soccer might be sport number 1 might choose cycling as their 2nd or 3rd while the poll is OMOV type of thing.

Also the poll only counts media interest. It doesnt look at participation. Participation wise cycling trumps f1 badly. You might say so what, but an amateur or proffesional (3000 pro cyclists to 25 or so f1 riders) will take a far bigger interest in his sport, while the casual f1 fan will watch it once every 2 weeks.

THis greater interest argument is further advanced when you see hundreds of thousands of fans on the Bola or Basque and Asturian flags in the French Pyranees. A fan which takes the effort to go to a mountain, and wait for hours to watch the cyclists pass is imo worth a lot more than one who sees the race on the screen, reads about it in Marca the next day, then forgets about it for a week and a half.

Sure there are 200 000 f1 fans at one or 2 of those venues, but you see that on the less attneded tdf stages. Never mind things like RVV with every cm in the towns packed to the rafters. I pick f1 because with its very low participation its the easiest target but most of those sports lose out to cycling participation and passion wise.
 
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The Hitch said:
Dont know about tennis. Spain has for a while had the best training camps. They spend millions on youth development there. ANd before Nadal there was Ferrero, Moya, Costa.

Right, but TV and newspapers did not send their reporters to every tournament around the World where they played as they do now. And tennis did not get the priority that now gets on TV in case of schedule overlap with other programs.
 
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El Pistolero said:
If it dropped after Indurain it must have grown to unbelievable hights again in the last 5 years.

I'll try to describe the cover of Marca the day after Verbier stage in TdF 2009:

A picture of Raul (former Real Madrid striker) in full page and a headline saying that he had featured from the start in the lineup of the game Real Madrid had played the day before. You can figure out the relevance of that football game in the mid of July. Contador featured in that same front page in a corner with a picture just the size of the one in your passport. And that was at time with no WC, Olympics or anything else running at the time more relevant than the Tour for a sports newspaper.

Then, I could go on endless comments about TV broadcasts and sponsorship but I'll spare you from that. The average sports spectator has become very proficient in F1 car engineering and race strategy but doesn't care much about bike racing, just because it has an almost marginal presence in the media.
 
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The Hitch said:
Great info there.

I thought viewership for Vuelta would have been bigger. Here the Wimbledon final is watched by about 10 million. I know Wimbledon here is bigger than Vuela is in Spain but its getting 4 times the viewers.

I guess what should also be taken into account is that some mountain stages are getting a few hundred thousand spectators.

And maybe a larger number of people watch the highlights in the afternoon?

uk has 62 million people, spain has 45 million people
 
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icefire said:
Don't think so. In Spain nobody cared about tennis before Nadal got to the top. Nobody cared about F1 before Alonso. The interest in cycling among the media and the general public dropped dramatically after Indurain. And so did sponsorship. The attitude of the best Spanish riders towards the Vuelta (in contrast to that of Italians towards the Giro) doesn't help to raise the public and media attention.

tennis has always been huge in spain, also before nadal, spain was always one of biggest tennis countrys it's just all was focused on clay instead of hardcourt
 
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The Hitch said:
Where on earth in my post do i say anything about doping?

This is not the clinic. If you want to talk about doping i suggest you go there.

As for overhyping, well the Iniesta "Dani Jarque siempre con nosotros" picture is still up on "el Pais". We are now into the 7th month since it happened. Their excuse is that they are merely reviewing the old year, but the old year finished 16 days ago. Oh and the actual review of the old year is more a review of Spains victory in that match. The article underneath it says that 2010 was the year of July 11th (the day Spain won the world cup) and a video that accompanies it spends most of the time talking about it, before cramming everything else into the other half.

To me that sounds like overhyping 1 event, but maybe you agree that the entire 2010 can be summed up by showing Iniestas goal. Afterall what do things like 20% unemployment, half a million dead in Haiti or Chillean men being rescued from their graves, mean, when 11 men got a gold statue for kicking a ball :rolleyes:




Unfortunately ( and this really hurts me) Cycling is not one of the top 5 sports in Spain, or in any country other than Belgium and Colombia.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6276


lol that is totally wrong.

cycling is in top 5 sports in at least: france, netherlands, belgium, colombia, venezuela, bolivia, guatemala, italy, costa rica, spain and luxemburg
 
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hfer07 said:
Vuelta a Espana 2011 Presentation (Spanish)
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=WULKFL1J
*I hope the video helps to get a better understanding of each stage. After watching the video, I must confess I'm very exited, and I foresee a fantastic race!!!:)

PS: Prudhomme, Zomegnan & Cabrera all together at the presentation looked very promising....

Thanks for posting that! It was awesome! I share in your excitement!:)
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
uk has 62 million people, spain has 45 million people

But wimbledon is big in England not all of UK. In sport, England, Scotland, Wales and NIR should be taken as independent of UK.

And england only has 52 million, a slight increase on Spains 45 million.


La Pandera said:
We've now sunk to trusting Polish as a reliable source of info? He didn't even provide a link to support his stats.:rolleyes:

You think he made up the stats?
 
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The Hitch said:
But wimbledon is big in England not all of UK. In sport, England, Scotland, Wales and NIR should be taken as independent of UK.

And england only has 52 million, a slight increase on Spains 45 million.




You think he made up the stats?

I don't attach any crediblity to anything he/she posts unless there is a link. Creating "facts" is not really an oddity on here.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
tennis has always been huge in spain, also before nadal, spain was always one of biggest tennis countrys it's just all was focused on clay instead of hardcourt

The term 'huge' comes in different sizes :cool:

Newspapers and TV are sending their reporters everywhere around the World (not just the big tournaments) where Nadal is playing. And if they don't, they watch the game and write their articles based on what they see.

In the past, newspapers just relied on news agency notes, which is what they do nowadays with most cycling races. I'm fed up of reading reports of bike races (other than Tour and Vuelta) in major news web sites that have been written by a news agency and most of the time have little to do with what I see on web streams if I have the chance. It looks like everyone is sending their reporters to cover training sessions of football teams and do not have resources for watching races on satellite TV or web streams.
 
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jens_attacks said:
i'm sure they will make it.they got cobo after all:)

You saying Guillén has Cobo on his cq team? Hopefully he has Duarte and Blanco there as well.
 
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DAOTEC said:
No decision yet on Geox-TMC invitation to the Vuelta

'Race director would welcome Contador'

The Vuelta a Espana has still not decided whether to invite ...

(http://cyclingnews.com/news/no-geox-tmc-invitation-to-the-vuelta)

They won't announce anything till June, so there's no need to make any statement now and get extra pressure for the remaining wildcards. With Menchov, Sastre and Valls-Ferri I doubt GEOX will be left out.
 
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The Hitch said:
But wimbledon is big in England not all of UK. In sport, England, Scotland, Wales and NIR should be taken as independent of UK.

And england only has 52 million, a slight increase on Spains 45 million.




You think he made up the stats?

wales and northern irewland barely contains people and tennis is bigger in scotland than in england almost. same with cycling btw
 

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the year after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"¡¿Contador to ride the Vuelta with MoviStar¿¡"


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put this in ur diary you all
 
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DAOTEC said:
"¡¿Contador to ride the Vuelta with MoviStar¿¡"


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put this in ur diary you all

His one year ban will last until August 24, while the Vuelta starts at August 20...
 

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Hiddas said:
His one year ban will last until August 24, while the Vuelta starts at August 20...

That is not carved in stone, you know darn well contador will be in the 2011 Vuelta. Go forth GT.
 
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Hiddas said:
His one year ban will last until August 24, while the Vuelta starts at August 20...

If they're going to take away his Tour 2010 win at least have the guts to ban him on the day he actually tested positive.
 
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El Pistolero said:
If they're going to take away his Tour 2010 win at least have the guts to ban him on the day he actually tested positive.
It's not a matter of guts, it's the rules.
 
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hrotha said:
It's not a matter of guts, it's the rules.

Well if its 1 year and they are taking away his Tour title, the Tour presumably counts as the ban no?

Other wise its a very very convenient 1 year and 2 months, which when one considers the Vuelta is the last gt, means he wont race till March 2012.

So his ban is pretty much the same lenght as Piti, only 2 months less (Valverdes last race - May 2010, COntadors last race July 2010, return same time) only that Piti loses his Tour of Romandie (im sure hes heartbroken:rolleyes:)

So the difference between 1 year and 2 year is 2 months? Who knew.
 
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The Hitch said:
Well if its 1 year and they are taking away his Tour title, the Tour presumably counts as the ban no?

Other wise its a very very convenient 1 year and 2 months, which when one considers the Vuelta is the last gt, means he wont race till March 2012.

So his ban is pretty much the same lenght as Piti, only 2 months less (Valverdes last race - May 2010, COntadors last race July 2010, return same time) only that Piti loses his Tour of Romandie (im sure hes heartbroken:rolleyes:)

So the difference between 1 year and 2 year is 2 months? Who knew.

Piti's was backdated to Jan 1st though, so all 2010 results were wiped.

If they're going to wipe AC's Tour, then the ban should start from when he tested positive, yes.