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hrotha said:This plus a million times.
Purito was the strongest. He was also an idiot. He should never win a GT.
Dekker_Tifosi said:For Ten Dam, Bola del Mundo was harder than Negru because the road surface on Bola is so bad
DenisMenchov said:The only one, besides himself, he should blame is Moreno. He was supposed to be a domestique, not someone who should fight with Froome. He was never there when he was needed in both Giro and Vuelta.
airstream said:ok, where would you recommend purito to take a bigger risk in the Vuelta? the man still was learning himself as an elite climber in the giro, obviously without knowing his ceiling. at last, he wasn't too much disappointed to finish the 2nd. and you dare criticise him for not having such a margin of safety as contador has or fear of self-dropping with an excessive attack?
Parrulo said:
moreno was there almost everytime.
he only failed on stage 17 and on cuito negro. and it just happens that on fuente de he was absolutely needed otherwise no1 would have noticed.
Afrank said:Contador may not have been the strongest on this stage, but over the course of the tour he was just as strong as Purito. Contador attacked numerous times throughout the race. For the most part Rodriguez's "attacks" was him sprinting away to get the bonus seconds at the end of stages. And the only times when he dropped Contador in a real attack was when he attacked with Gilbert and today. All the other times he was just sprinting away at the end of the stage, and Contador would never be able to match Purito in a uphill sprint anyways. Overall Contador was just as strong as Rodriguez throughout the tour. And he definitely was smarter and more courageous, which made the difference between Contador winning and Rodriguez winning.
Pippo_San said:He probably just wasted his best year...he could've won 2 GTs in the same year, he got away with a 2nd and a 3rd place.
From a certain point of view, I sincerely feel bad for him, but he really used no tactics and had no guts when he probably could change something, both in the Giro and in this Vuelta.
That's sad, yet with all his attacks Contador deserved it, much more than say Wiggins or Hesjedal.
Unfortunately true. Especially the Giro.DenisMenchov said:The only one, besides himself, he should blame is Moreno. He was supposed to be a domestique, not someone who should fight with Froome. He was never there when he was needed in both Giro and Vuelta.
Parrulo said:by stage 19 of the giro he should know better then to suck my man domenico's wheel until 500m to the line while hesjedal rode into the sunset.
he fully deserved losing the giro for riding like that.
and at this years vuelta once he saw contador couldn't gap(mostly on the asturian stages) him he should have tried and gap him himself because he didn't knew what could happen.
instead he was content to gain an hand full of seconds on each stage thinking that would be enough, which was extremely stupid knowing him whom he was riding against.
DenisMenchov said:Yes but what about the Giro, he was never there. And here he failed in the crucial stage.
Moreno - job not done.
hrotha said:Read the relevant threads (the Fuente De stage thread, and the one at the Clinic) for the reasoning. I'm tired of repeating it, so I'm just stating my opinion: I'm relieved Purito won't win.
airstream said:using such criteria, any rider can be accused of anything, including say voeckler being accused of not winning the 2011 tour.
alright, what could rodriguez do on pampeago, if he just a bit weaker than ryder? he wasn't able to attack, it's pretty obvious. or you think differently?
purito has no proper attacking experience, excluding piani resinelli 3k raid. he was competing against a priori the strongest climber in the race and often to catch contador was really really hard for him (besides cuitu negru i think). but anyways you'd offer him attack contador, without feeling necessary strength? it's really stupid and just retroactive thinking based on what we've watched today which is not represéntative for the whole race. «if i can predict future, i’ll live in vegas». sadly, purito can't do that, unlike his critics.
The Hitch said:Wait, you are happy that Contador won.
Never thought id see the day
Paulinho and Tiralongo babysited Bertie (established the gap on stage 17) and won the overall for Contador. Mano o mano Bertie put 25 sec on Purito - the gap before the stage was 28 seconds. Does this fact make Bertie not a deserving winner? Plus Saxo was the strongest team in the race.Parrulo said:the giro and the vuelta was purito for the taking, if he needed some1 babysitting him 100% of the way to do it then he wouldn't be the deserving winner.
DenisMenchov said:Yes but what about the Giro, he was never there. And here he failed in the crucial stage.
Moreno - job not done.
Parrulo said:what experience had hesjedal attacking at the front end of a GT prior to the giro this year? i daresay purito has much more experience riding GT's then hesjedal.
killswitch said:Paulinho and Tiralongo babysited Bertie (established the gap on stage 17) and won the overall for Contador. Mano o mano Bertie put 25 sec on Purito - the gap before the stage was 28 seconds. Does this fact make Bertie not a deserving winner?
Well look at the other options, it's not like they are any better.The Hitch said:Wait, you are happy that Contador won.
Never thought id see the day
Parrulo said:much like the day DT admitted he was a fan of nibali and that he was better then gesink, this is yet another historical day for this forum
hrotha said:Well look at the other options, it's not like they are any better.