Nibali does not look good for the Worlds imo ...maybe Lombardia but cant see him beating Roglic or Allaphillipe or Woods in Innsbruck
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Congrats to Woods.
Stood cool despite surrounding threats.
Entertaining stage.
Not sure the slope's good for a recreational ride, though.
Stood cool despite surrounding threats.
Entertaining stage.
Not sure the slope's good for a recreational ride, though.
Great win by Woods but I thought Teuns was going to take it. Valverde showing what everyone suspected with Movistar. Mas riding really well. This race looks like going down to the last climb.
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And who the hell would predict that he would win or took bonus after that TT yesterday? Easy to be smart after the race...
HelloDolly said:
And who the hell would predict that he would win or took bonus after that TT yesterday? Easy to be smart after the race...
SK i not out of it yet ....he likes the long stuff and Andorra suits him...He can podium
Quintana and MAL dont look like winners
Quintana and MAL dont look like winners
Mas/Valverde looked pretty sharp. I suspect Yates didn't want to go too deep and felt OK about losing a bit in the final 100 meters. I wouldn't say he bonked but he wasn't the strongest today.
Overall, I'm not sure I liked the stage. the finish climb was more of a gimmick than what I'd consider an MTF. I know these guys are all 100x stronger than I'll ever be, but realistically any sustained gradient over 15-16 percent is barely rideable . Sure, they can do it, but what's the point?
Overall, I'm not sure I liked the stage. the finish climb was more of a gimmick than what I'd consider an MTF. I know these guys are all 100x stronger than I'll ever be, but realistically any sustained gradient over 15-16 percent is barely rideable . Sure, they can do it, but what's the point?
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If I'm a Movistar DS, I'm telling Carapaz and Amador that both of them are getting in the break on the Canolich stage. Quintana is getting into that break, by hook or by crook. If I can't get him in that first move, him and Anacona are trying to bridge together. I want Mitchelton-Scott chasing from first thing that day, and I'm also maybe trying to entice another team with a couple of cards to join in. Some strong riders on other teams who are stagehunting could be approached for deals - Majka, Rodríguez, Pernsteiner, Zakarin, Teuns, de la Cruz. The objective is so that either Haig or Adam Yates is gone before Canolich, so he only has one helper, and you know, if they never catch Nairito they never catch Nairito and that's that.
Maybe they knew Nairo didn't have the legs? After all, MS had three guys left in the group because they've been pushing Movistar to do all the work controlling the breaks. Having two contenders could have ruined Movistar's chance of winning it because they haven't committed to Valverde, similar to how Froome lost to Cobo because Sky didn't commit to Froome until Wiggins definitively dropped away by which time it was too late. Valverde outsprinting Yates to gain time at the very end was absolutely expected, but if Valverde is going to win this race he needs Yates to either implode like Dumoulin in 2015 or indeed Yates in the Giro (which seems unlikely as Yates has had to do far less work than he did in the Giro to get to this point, and also because Mitchelton-Scott have refused to pace the bunch at all and have shipped the jersey to Herrada for a couple of days too, his domestiques are much less likely to explode around him like they did in the Giro or like Froome's did in 2016) or he needs time bonuses, so Movistar will have to control the bunch in the two Andorra stages. Valverde needs to take this kind of amount of time on Yates plus time bonuses twice. The likes of Más will be useful allies in such circumstances as Yates has a decent sprint himself so if he isn't distanced he can get some time bonuses himself. La Rabassa is not going to be conducive to distancing Yates so it's going to be all about the Canolich stage. Yates can stand to lose a few seconds at the line if he either doesn't have to worry about time bonuses or if he's going to get some of them himself.burning said:
If I'm a Movistar DS, I'm telling Carapaz and Amador that both of them are getting in the break on the Canolich stage. Quintana is getting into that break, by hook or by crook. If I can't get him in that first move, him and Anacona are trying to bridge together. I want Mitchelton-Scott chasing from first thing that day, and I'm also maybe trying to entice another team with a couple of cards to join in. Some strong riders on other teams who are stagehunting could be approached for deals - Majka, Rodríguez, Pernsteiner, Zakarin, Teuns, de la Cruz. The objective is so that either Haig or Adam Yates is gone before Canolich, so he only has one helper, and you know, if they never catch Nairito they never catch Nairito and that's that.
Congrats to Rafał, he was amazing today (his birthday btw). You always complaints about Majka's style, but today, I think, he rode at the absolute limit plus he ride it smart. Strange combination for Rafał but he did it. And he even attacks at 994 meter before the finish line. Today all the fans of Rafał should be proud of him.
Wszystkiego najlepszego Rafał, dziś byłeś wielki!
Wszystkiego najlepszego Rafał, dziś byłeś wielki!
Teuns has been in 5 breaks and finished 3rd - 5th - 4th - 3rd - 2nd. I think you could say he deserves a win now
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Jaasus ....who rattled your cage
Movistar should have started to ride for Valverde since a few days ago when Quintana SAID he had no legs
Blanco said:
Jaasus ....who rattled your cage
Movistar should have started to ride for Valverde since a few days ago when Quintana SAID he had no legs
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I think the point is that domestiques are so strong these days, that you have to put in gradients well above 10% to ensure a true mano-a-mano between the GC contenders. Even gradients of 9-10% can be controlled by a strong team, like Sky do in the Tour every year.Bolder said:
Yeah, Valverde is just such a poor rider. Buhuu..
By the way, now all the three WorldTeams who were fighting to be the last team to get a WT win this season have won two stages in this Vuelta. And two more stages have gone to wild card teams. Pretty crazy.
By the way, now all the three WorldTeams who were fighting to be the last team to get a WT win this season have won two stages in this Vuelta. And two more stages have gone to wild card teams. Pretty crazy.
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Was that around the same time that you were slating him for not attacking and putting minutes into everyone, like some kind of computer game?HelloDolly said:
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Sure I wanted him to attack about 3 stages ago and then he said he didnt have the legs so fair enough
If you want to be nasty go ahead...its your modus operandi on here all the time anyway
DFA123 said:Was that around the same time that you were slating him for not attacking and putting minutes into everyone, like some kind of computer game?HelloDolly said:
Sure I wanted him to attack about 3 stages ago and then he said he didnt have the legs so fair enough
If you want to be nasty go ahead...its your modus operandi on here all the time anyway
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Since then there has only been a time trial and and today's stage. Sounds like you're making up a bit of a narrative as you go along.
Right. So when you said 'Movistar should have started to ride for Valverde since a few days ago when Quintana SAID he had no legs', you meant since the rest day.HelloDolly said:DFA123 said:Was that around the same time that you were slating him for not attacking and putting minutes into everyone, like some kind of computer game?HelloDolly said:
Sure I wanted him to attack about 3 stages ago and then he said he didnt have the legs so fair enough
If you want to be nasty go ahead...its your modus operandi on here all the time anyway
Since then there has only been a time trial and and today's stage. Sounds like you're making up a bit of a narrative as you go along.
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Calm down. Bonk might be a wrong word, but I did not mean it for this stage. I was referring to how he looked after the finish and when cooling down in the bike. He was absolutely spent, but also seems to feel quite some mental pressure. I just don't think he is going to win this Vuelta.
Valverde looked fresh like flower when joking with Berto though.
Pricey_sky said:
Calm down. Bonk might be a wrong word, but I did not mean it for this stage. I was referring to how he looked after the finish and when cooling down in the bike. He was absolutely spent, but also seems to feel quite some mental pressure. I just don't think he is going to win this Vuelta.
Valverde looked fresh like flower when joking with Berto though.
Great stage
Congrats to Mr Woods - well deserved win
So it looks like the GC is down between Yates, the Don & Enric
Quintana? its time for him to abandon any GC ambitions & domestique entirely for the Don.
Congrats to Mr Woods - well deserved win
So it looks like the GC is down between Yates, the Don & Enric
Quintana? its time for him to abandon any GC ambitions & domestique entirely for the Don.
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And it doesn't look like he has the legs on a climb to put Adam Yates into difficulty right now, let alone Simon.
I'm not sure how he can be much use as a domestique in his current shape. I guess he could try to get in the break or attack from range, but Astana, Lotto-NL and probably Quickstep would all help Mitchelton in chasing him down, so it would just be a waste.hfer07 said:
And it doesn't look like he has the legs on a climb to put Adam Yates into difficulty right now, let alone Simon.
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I think he could've won today, if he let Woods attack first in that final km.Eyeballs Out said:
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