Vuelta 2018 Stage 3:Mijas to Alhaurín de la Torre 178.2 km

[Hakkapelit]

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If you didnt know better you'd think Mørkøv won and Asgreen ended 2nd.

I agree, they should focus more on who actually won. But.. It was a very nice leadout though. Mørkov started the sprint and closed of Sagan, so Viviani could take the outer line. I'm starting to think Mørkov is one of the three best lead-out guys in the business from what I've seen this year

. He's been very good this year, but one needs to concider why his talents werent as obvious at Katjusja.

 

[Koronin]

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Valverde trying to go in the sprint but then being literally dropped when the seven in front of him started to sprint was funny.
Anyway that show the he's willing to fight, hoping that he won't be forced to play second fiddle/work for Quintana as happened too much since 2015.

He's just rehearsing for the WC

Maybe he's just seeing where his sprint actually is after last year's injury and his rehab. I don't think he's got full muscle mass back in his injured leg.

 

[Koronin]

Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

 

[tobydawq]

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Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

Well, if they were tied (which they are not), I assume Valverde would still not be the leader, because I think the GC standing would be the tiebreaker in a combined classification, and then he would ride in green because he's second in both competitions and the green takes precedence over the combined.

But Kwiato leads the combined classification. He has 7 points, Valverde has 9.

 

[Koronin]

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Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

Well, if they were tied (which they are not), I assume Valverde would still not be the leader, because I think the GC standing would be the tiebreaker in a combined classification, and then he would ride in green because he's second in both competitions and the green takes precedence over the combined.

But Kwiato leads the combined classification. He has 7 points, Valverde has 9.

According to la Vuelta's page they are tied at 9 points for the combined classification.
https://www.lavuelta.es/en/rankings

I wasn't sure if they would give him white as he's tied where he's definitely in 2nd in points.

 

[tobydawq]

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Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

Well, if they were tied (which they are not), I assume Valverde would still not be the leader, because I think the GC standing would be the tiebreaker in a combined classification, and then he would ride in green because he's second in both competitions and the green takes precedence over the combined.

But Kwiato leads the combined classification. He has 7 points, Valverde has 9.

According to la Vuelta's page they are tied at 9 points for the combined classification.
https://www.lavuelta.es/en/rankings

I wasn't sure if they would give him white as he's tied where he's definitely in 2nd in points.

Sorry - I don't know why the hell I was looking at yesterday's standings

But my point stands; Valverde is still second in that because he loses the tie-breaker, so I would think he's in green tomorrow. We'll see.

 

[Koronin]

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Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

Well, if they were tied (which they are not), I assume Valverde would still not be the leader, because I think the GC standing would be the tiebreaker in a combined classification, and then he would ride in green because he's second in both competitions and the green takes precedence over the combined.

But Kwiato leads the combined classification. He has 7 points, Valverde has 9.

According to la Vuelta's page they are tied at 9 points for the combined classification.
https://www.lavuelta.es/en/rankings

I wasn't sure if they would give him white as he's tied where he's definitely in 2nd in points.

Sorry - I don't know why the hell I was looking at yesterday's standings

But my point stands; Valverde is still second in that because he loses the tie-breaker, so I would think he's in green tomorrow. We'll see.

That can happen.
Wasn't sure if being tied would in a classification would have that one hold more or the more prestigious jersey. Yeah, we will see tomorrow.

 

[search]

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Here's an interesting question. Kwaitkowski leads over all and green jersey, however is currently tied with Valverde for the combined classification. Kwaitkowski will have the red jersey. That's not in question. My question is which jersey does Valverde get as he's 2nd overall and in the points, while tied for white. Does he wear the green which he's in 2nd or does he wear the white as he's tied for that one?

Well, if they were tied (which they are not), I assume Valverde would still not be the leader, because I think the GC standing would be the tiebreaker in a combined classification, and then he would ride in green because he's second in both competitions and the green takes precedence over the combined.

But Kwiato leads the combined classification. He has 7 points, Valverde has 9.

According to la Vuelta's page they are tied at 9 points for the combined classification.
https://www.lavuelta.es/en/rankings

I wasn't sure if they would give him white as he's tied where he's definitely in 2nd in points.

Sorry - I don't know why the hell I was looking at yesterday's standings

But my point stands; Valverde is still second in that because he loses the tie-breaker, so I would think he's in green tomorrow. We'll see.

yeah, red > green > polka dot > white is the order of jerseys in the Vuelta. So Valverde will be in green tomorrow and de Plus in white

 

[tobydawq]

The problem is that there's no such thing as tied. If there was, they would both be riding in white if they didn't have any other jerseys. So Valverde is second in everything (except mountains and general awesomeness) and should therefore be riding in green.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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See the highlighted. Looks like a judgement to me.

No, I do get it. I don't like it, that's something completely different. I'd never want to win a race like that. Fair enough if you cheer for riders who do that. To each his own.

Then I assume you would have actively disliked it if Wellens had won yesterday ? (just asking about the hypothetical situation here)

 

[Flamin]

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See the highlighted. Looks like a judgement to me.

No, I do get it. I don't like it, that's something completely different. I'd never want to win a race like that. Fair enough if you cheer for riders who do that. To each his own.

Then I assume you would have actively disliked it if Wellens had won yesterday ? (just asking about the hypothetical situation here)

Wellens blew the race to pieces with 70k to go and worked his ass off until he was visibly totally spent, so that was a very different situation

 

[tobydawq]

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See the highlighted. Looks like a judgement to me.

No, I do get it. I don't like it, that's something completely different. I'd never want to win a race like that. Fair enough if you cheer for riders who do that. To each his own.

Then I assume you would have actively disliked it if Wellens had won yesterday ? (just asking about the hypothetical situation here)

Wellens blew the race to pieces with 70k to go and worked his *** off until he was visibly totally spent, so that was a very different situation

I wonder if Naesen reads along on here. He said that he worked very hard - probably harder than what was necessary because he wouldn't risk winning and then being accused of having won inspite of not being the strongest.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

The Postlberger tactical discussion is a bit bizarre. He’s a teammate of Sagan. It’s cycling strategy 101 that he sits on or goes solo. In theory Bora are perfectly happy with a sprint. Other guys need to work because their teams aren’t happy with a sprint. So he leant on them and then attacked them. That’s what you are supposed to do in that situation.

 

[Flamin]

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See the highlighted. Looks like a judgement to me.

No, I do get it. I don't like it, that's something completely different. I'd never want to win a race like that. Fair enough if you cheer for riders who do that. To each his own.

Then I assume you would have actively disliked it if Wellens had won yesterday ? (just asking about the hypothetical situation here)

Wellens blew the race to pieces with 70k to go and worked his *** off until he was visibly totally spent, so that was a very different situation

I wonder if Naesen reads along on here. He said that he worked very hard - probably harder than what was necessary because he wouldn't risk winning and then being accused of having won inspite of not being the strongest.

What a guy eh. He said it with a wink of course, but it says everything about his great mentality.

 

[Flamin]

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The Postlberger tactical discussion is a bit bizarre. He’s a teammate of Sagan. It’s cycling strategy 101 that he sits on or goes solo. In theory Bora are perfectly happy with a sprint. Other guys need to work because their teams aren’t happy with a sprint. So he leant on them and then attacked them. That’s what you are supposed to do in that situation.

Everyone understands their strategy. The point is that it's a pathetic strategy imo. In a sprint stage when you have a sprinter who can win the stage. Feel free to disagree.

 

[Robert5091]

Anyone know what's up with Julien Duval at AG2R La Mondiale? He's having real problems. LRP drops another 8 minutes ... Sagan must be feeling better.