Vuelta a Andalucia (Ruta Del Sol) 2.HC // 18.2 - 22.2

[inthepink]

Can you read?

Alberto Contador: 23:41 according to Twitter

Horner : 23.25 ...on here fro 2013 Vuelta

And could you answer with a civil tongue...no need to be rude

 

[meat puppet]

thanks for the video link. froome's stem is fine, that's what I call a close scrutiny. also he is clearly 10kg from tour weight.

this year will probably be insane.

 

[Tom T.]

One of the nice things about the winter months is not having to watch Froome's ugly style on a bike. That said, we should be treated with some nice battles between these two this year.

 

[Ataraxus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arDWUzDwh8I

By carefully analyzing the footage above and the times that Froome and Contador passed at the same road segments (not the GPS), it is clearly seen that Froome constantly took off Contador 4-5 Sec/km in the last 4.3Km.

At 4.3km to the finish time distance was 38 sec.
At 3.9 km it was 36 sec.
At 3.2 km--> 29
At 2.4 km--> 27
At 2.0 km -->26
At 900m --> 23
At the finish --> 19 sec.

 

[LaFlorecita]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arDWUzDwh8I

By carefully analyzing the footage above and the times that Froome and Contador passed at the same road segments (not the GPS), it is clearly seen that Froome constantly took off Contador 4-5 Sec/km in the last 4.3Km.

At 4.3km to the finish time distance was 38 sec.
At 3.9 km it was 36 sec.
At 3.2 km--> 29
At 2.4 km--> 27
At 2.0 km -->26
At 900m --> 23
At the finish --> 19 sec.

Actually he took back 7 seconds in 700m, after that it is as expected

 

[Bushman]

Alberto Contador: 23:41 according to Twitter

Horner : 23.25 ...on here fro 2013 Vuelta

And could you answer with a civil tongue...no need to be rude

I never said that Contador beat Horner's time, so why would you point that out? My post was a response to a poster who thought that it was disappointing that he didn't beat Horner's time, which I disagreed on.

 

[red_flanders]

thanks for the video link. froome's stem is fine, that's what I call a close scrutiny. also he is clearly 10kg from tour weight.

this year will probably be insane.

What?? That's 22lbs. I find that hard to believe.

 

[Ataraxus]

I don't know where you got that La Flo.
In my video at 23:13 and 23:36 they pass at the same place (Fan in green which can be clearly shown from the snow marks that he hasn't moved) respectively. And the time difference is 23 secs. And Contador has still 900m to go.

 

[ILovecycling]

I dont think any of them really went into red.Its february.
Also what said jens,Im worried about timing of form,but thats for AC thread

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't know where you got that La Flo.
In my video at 23:13 and 23:36 they pass at the same place (Fan in green which can be clearly shown from the snow marks that he hasn't moved) respectively. And the time difference is 23 secs. And Contador has still 900m to go.

you said this

Froome constantly took off Contador 4-5 Sec/km in the last 4.3Km.

At 4.3km to the finish time distance was 38 sec.
At 3.9 km it was 36 sec.
At 3.2 km--> 29
At 2.4 km--> 27
At 2.0 km -->26
At 900m --> 23
At the finish --> 19 sec.

between 3.9 and 3.2 to go Froome took 7 seconds. From that point on he took about 2-3 seconds per km. So he didn't "constantly" take 4-5 s/km, rather he took 4-5 s/km average, while he constantly took 2-3 seconds with one 700m long part where he took 7 seconds.

 

[Taxus4a]

Contador has been impresive.

Froome need longer climbs to be more competitive. Despite that he has recover some time in the last 2 Kms.

Tomorrow is a longer journey, all day up and down, but the final climb is shorter and even harder.

Contador will be again the favourite, and will be normal if he put another 10 second on Froome, but I dont exclude the possibility of Froome droping him, anyway not to ger half a minute.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Hopefully youtube will have video footage soon. Maybe tomorrow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arDWUzDwh8I

Just to be number 17 to post that link.

Contador seemed to be in control all the way up. He was not in the red (No crashing down on the saddle, shoulders not up to his ears etc.) and could have kicked again if he had to. But he does not go into the red in prep. races unless he has to.

I am not god enough at reading Froome to tell if it was the same with him but I suspect so. Shaping up for a great year.

 

[Bushman]

Froome need longer climbs to be more competitive.

Eh, what??

 

[Netserk]

Eh, what??

Ax-3 never happened.

 

[Ataraxus]

Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you said he gained 7 seconds at the last 700m. I apologize

But even if we remove those 700m, the average drop in time per km is still more than 3 seconds.

Anyways the time drops after Froome upped his pace make perfect sense to me, since I believe Froome to pace himself better along climbs.

 

[Escarabajo]

thanks for the video link. froome's stem is fine, that's what I call a close scrutiny. also he is clearly 10kg from tour weight.

this year will probably be insane.

What???

Maybe sarcasm. Otherwise is impossible.

 

[Publicus]

Contador has been impresive.

Froome need longer climbs to be more competitive. Despite that he has recover some time in the last 2 Kms.

Tomorrow is a longer journey, all day up and down, but the final climb is shorter and even harder.

Contador will be again the favourite, and will be normal if he put another 10 second on Froome, but I dont exclude the possibility of Froome droping him, anyway not to ger half a minute.

You are FOREVER making excuses. A 16.7KM climb isn't long enough for Froome to be competitive??? Lol...:rolleyes

EDIT: I do love the grasping of straws to put lipstick on this pig for Froome. On similar form, Contador has demonstrated he's better (Vuelta 2014 and now this race). No qualifiers/explanations are needed IMO.

 

[MatParker117]

Both are where they need to be at this point in the year and in my opinion both will win GT's this year. Contador will win the giro by 4+ mins and Froome will take the tour by 2-3 mins.

 

[meat puppet]

What?? That's 22lbs. I find that hard to believe.

or just 10kg. perhaps some joking was involved as well.

 

[happychappy]

just checked today's stage results

Contador is smashing early


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ0zJO6-ey0

That commentary is absolutely ****ing dreadful.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You are FOREVER making excuses. A 16.7KM climb isn't long enough for Froome to be competitive??? Lol...:rolleyes

Tomorrow's finish is uphill, short descent, then 4,4km at 10%... me thinks Froome will struggle again

 

[staubsauger]

First round was Contador's one, pretty clear! But Froome was also quite impressive. The way he managed to fight himself back within striking distance.

If Contador hasn't gone with 7 kilometres to go to take advantage of his gap, he wouldn't have distanced Froome imho! And if Froome has decided to follow up Contador instantly he would've blown up like Bardet and Edet did.

That proves actually that Froome isn't tactically weak at all anymore. He knows how he has to ride to avoid big damages. And as we saw at the Vuelta: He still has the instinct and the courage to attack and fight for the win. Even if he's not the best.

Regarding Contador, it's just an confirmation. He can adapt to a race situation and he has a fantastic race instinct. We know this since 2008 when he won The Giro and the Vuelta with two completely different racing styles.

Kennaugh impressed me. He looked very strong in first instance when he paced the bunch behind Contador. Did he payed that much for his effort later on or did he just eased down to finish 2.15 minutes down?

From my point of view Kennaugh has much more leader potential than waterboy Porte. Maybe he can get a chance at the Vuelta if he stays that strong.

Regarding the Tour: Froome is still the favorite. He showed today once again that against a 100% Contador he isn't that much weaker. No way Contador can handle to beat him if he already has the Giro in his legs. Unless of course Contador can put in a Fuente "Pantani be like" attack to crack him.

I don't see any other possibility Contador is fresh enough in July to be the Tour favorite , unless one we can't discuss here. Reference goes to Majka's super peak last year!

 

[Jagartrott]

Kelderman looking quite good here. Too bad of that massive peloton crash the first day.

 

[Taxus4a]

Eh, what??

His best potential is with long and no so step climbs, longer stages and hot. For him is better as well more days of competition.

The same as he prefer longer ITT.

He is not an explosive rider, he has endurance.

In a stage like today he is week at the begining of the climb, but once he warn up his body he can recover time. It is the same for his team mate Nieve, even more.

At least today Froome hadnt Contador at his wheel and motocycles didnt help Contador as other times.

Contador is the best in this kind of stages.

That doent mean Froome cant beat his rivals in stages as Pe?a Cabarga or la Camperona, but when he is the strongest of the race, and mainly at the end of a GT. Those stages were as well long and with important climbs before. Cobo is not an explosive rider, he is like Froome, but they were the strongest in the final of that Vuelta, Froome more but he hadnt where to put time.

For me Froome was stronger than Alberto in ancares, but contador was at his wheel in the false flat 3-2 kms to the end, and in the last Km contador could drop him. The same story in farrapona, nobody attacked in San Lorenzo, and that way for Froome is not possible to drop Alberto, but to be at the wheel and to put 15 seconds at the end for me is not to be stronger.

Alberto losed time in Camperona becouse he respond Valverde attacked before, but that climb was better for him than Farrapona or Ancares stages.

Tomorrow is as well very good for Alberto, but is a longer and demanding stage and a bad moment in those 20 % slopes could be very dangerous

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Kudus pretty decent at 7th.