Vuelta a Burgos 2025 (August 5-9)

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Can organisers not overrule that when there's a pretty clear risk of a mechanical/crash? This is functionally a pretty short uphill bunch sprint

It was their decision alone to classify it as a climb, i would think. If not, they could have used the 3k rule.

edit: but to be fair, it always was like this, as far as I can see. And I can't remember any issues

 

[Escarabajo]

Exactly the opposite actually since Roglič lost no time.

What rule was that one there?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

What rule was that one there?

The 3km rule. It would have been weird to make a 300 meter KOM to prevent that. I think they changed it this year so the 3km rule can be scrapped by organisers for mountainous stages like that.

 

[KZD]

Good win for Adrià, he is very competent in these short uphill finishes.

Hope Ciccone is ok but while Del Toro made a clear mistake this trend of insulting riders for unintentionally causing crashes is getting a bit out of control. Poeple should do better.

 

[Red Rick]

Exactly the opposite actually since Roglič lost no time.

Both times the rules were applied exactly as written. In that sense it's consistent.

 

[Red Rick]

Good win for Adrià, he is very competent in these short uphill finishes.

Hope Ciccone is ok but while Del Toro made a clear mistake this trend of insulting riders for unintentionally causing crashes is getting a bit out of control. Poeple should do better.

Yes, riders should never be accountable for their mistake. Understood.

Instead, poor Del Toro gets some mild criticism from the internet. How will he survive.

 

[noob]

I love Del Toro but my noob eyes are shocked at the difference of his level here and in the giro. In the giro he was praised for his bike handling. This just looked like complete knuckleheadism. IE it looks like a rookie mistake

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, riders should never be accountable for their mistake. Understood.

Instead, poor Del Toro gets some mild criticism from the internet. How will he survive.

Yeah, the criticism isn't exacerbated at all because it's a rider that for some reason the PWU have collectively decided to dislike.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, the criticism isn't exacerbated at all because it's a rider that for some reason the PWU have collectively decided to dislike.

I don't think there's exacerbated criticsm. There's just the notion that it's strange how you can crash out a rival to no punishment. Nobody is calling for his head. In fact the only headloss is in this very thread.

It's really more that ridiculous defense to a position will generally lead to ridicule from the other camp.

 

[noob]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GQD5bckTOE


already a meme

And the only place so far the slomo is slow enough

Looks like he's trying to save his hand from being run over by Ciccones wheel, accidentally instead getting intangled in it? In short self-preservation?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Here‘s a new rule: „adding insult to injury“. If you cause a crash you get disqualified from the race. Very fair.

 

[noob]

Here‘s a new rule: „adding insult to injury“. If you cause a crash you get disqualified from the race. Very fair.

That's as illogical as only punishing sprinters when they crash someone but not when they don't but do the same bad things?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yeah, the criticism isn't exacerbated at all because it's a rider that for some reason the PWU have collectively decided to dislike.

I have nothing against del Toro, but I am so over UAE deploying him to trample all over Continental teams in what feels like a lot more minor one day races with very average fields than it probably actually is.

 

[Brullnux]

Yeah, the criticism isn't exacerbated at all because it's a rider that for some reason the PWU have collectively decided to dislike.

It's the team more than the rider. I actually really like Del Toro and the way he rides, and if he left UAE I would cheer for him, but the team deserve as little as possible and every time they lose a race it feels like a small victory. It is also then funny to make fun of them.

Del Toro made a silly mistake, it was obviously nothing more than that, and the overreaction was almost all tongue in cheek (I think). However it should also needs to be said that this was also an amateurish fall from Del Toro which I am sure his teammates and other friends in the peloton will make fun of him for, so I don't think calling him a clown etc is overblown.

It's sort of the equivalent of a footballer tripping up over themselves and then going head first to take someone out – it is genuinely quite clownish and slapstick to clip your inside pedal on the ground going uphill, spin round, and take someone else out with your arm.

 

[tobydawq]

I don't think there's exacerbated criticsm. There's just the notion that it's strange how you can crash out a rival to no punishment. Nobody is calling for his head. In fact the only headloss is in this very thread.

It's really more that ridiculous defense to a position will generally lead to ridicule from the other camp.

If it had been Ciccone who crashed Del Toro out, nobody would have complained.

 

[Brullnux]

If it had been Ciccone who crashed Del Toro out, nobody would have complained.

Really? Have you seen the behaviour of online UAE fans? I guess maybe they care less because it isn't July, but they're very intense.

 

[Sciatic]

In two minds about this one. On the one hand it's pretty f*cked up that Del Toro can crash his main rival out of GC contention without facing any consequences, on the other hand the way you'd have to make the rules to punish situations like this is a whole other can of worms. Compare for example to short track speed skating where a skater A is always deemed to have broken the rules if skater B crashes due to any action by skater A, which regularly causes DQs for manoeuvres where it really isn't obvious whether or not a rule has been broken.

I guess you could say that Del Toro broke a common sense rule about pedaling around a sharp corner

 

[CyclistAbi]

Didn't delve into it but is this another case of Lex Rogla? That is some felt so butt hurt Rogla didn't lose time in that stage that they went and changed a reasonable rule into a stupid rule. To prove their worth.

 

[Sciatic]

If it had been Ciccone who crashed Del Toro out, nobody would have complained.

Not sure about that—for me its that it was a dumb way to crash and as a result took another rider out, regardless of who it was.

 

[noob]

It's the team more than the rider. I actually really like Del Toro and the way he rides, and if he left UAE I would cheer for him, but the team deserve as little as possible and every time they lose a race it feels like a small victory. It is also then funny to make fun of them.

Del Toro made a silly mistake, it was obviously nothing more than that, and the overreaction was almost all tongue in cheek (I think). However it should also needs to be said that this was also an amateurish fall from Del Toro which I am sure his teammates and other friends in the peloton will make fun of him for, so I don't think calling him a clown etc is overblown.

It's sort of the equivalent of a footballer tripping up over themselves and then going head first to take someone out – it is genuinely quite clownish and slapstick to clip your inside pedal on the ground going uphill, spin round, and take someone else out with your arm.

I am pretty sure he will laugh at it himself sooner or later. It really looks absolutely absurd!

 

[Red Rick]

If it had been Ciccone who crashed Del Toro out, nobody would have complained.

In the words of one of the poets of all time: "If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, but she doesn't, so she's not. You know what I'm trying to say?"

And I really dislike that cycling has many occasions where one guy causes a crash he's either better off than guys he's brought down or he's directly benefiting from a rival getting injured while he gets out unscathed. In my opinion it's a problem that cycling doesn't deal with at all.

 

[Cycling111]

I have nothing against del Toro, but I am so over UAE deploying him to trample all over Continental teams in what feels like a lot more minor one day races with very average fields than it probably actually is.

What does that have to do with the accident?
And Ciccone isn't part of a continental team.

Please let's not mix things up.

It's morally base to use an accident to vent our personal phobias toward certain teams or cyclists.

What's the difference between this and Pogacar's accident at the Tour? And then the comments were very different.
It's shameful that this happens, according to the name of the rider. We're talking about accidents.

We're going to get to the point where some accidents are going to be celebrated, and on the other hand, some are going to be lynched.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What does that have to do with the accident?
And Ciccone isn't part of a continental team.

Please let's not mix things up.

It's morally base to use an accident to vent our personal phobias toward certain teams or cyclists.

What's the difference between this and Pogacar's accident at the Tour? And then the comments were very different.
It's shameful that this happens, according to the name of the rider. We're talking about accidents.

We're going to get to the point where some accidents are going to be celebrated, and on the other hand, some are going to be lynched.

I wasn't commenting on the accident, Ciccone or in fact this race at all. I was responding to a comment that didn't discuss the incident directly either.

Toby was saying that posters who are identified as part of the informal "PWU" collective mindset have decided to dislike del Toro. I was saying that, for me individually at least, although I may have said things that sound like I dislike del Toro previously, I do not in fact dislike him at all; my complaints have been about the team's handling and deployment of him in races where he - and they - are clearly head and shoulders above everybody else.

This particular race is not one of the races referenced. For one thing, it isn't a one-day race and is at the Pro Series level.

 

[P4rthen0n]

Del Toro gained over a minute on Ciccone in GC today. The most succesful GT attack of his career.

This may be the only way to beat Vingegaard at the Vuelta.
Who's the best UAE rider for the job? Soler is kinda crazy, he could probably take down Vingegaard with no trouble.

 

[Brullnux]

This may be the only way to beat Vingegaard at the Vuelta.
Who's the best UAE rider for the job? Soler is kinda crazy, he could probably take down Vingegaard with no trouble.

Crashing is too risky, UAE should go for the shirt pull. Just physically hold him back at the same time that Almeida attacks so he can't respond and loses time. Have someone ride shoulder to shoulder with him at all times so if he stands up to attack it's easy to reach over and grab his jersey.