Vuelta a España Stage 15: Avilés - Anglirú 144km

[Zoncolan]

the guy is 176 and 71 kg and climbs like a mountaingoat

LA anyone?
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

 

[thirteen]

I read many suspect cobo, which is pathetic, probably none of you know story behind him. cobo was talent the likes of contador in spain. but is mentally unstable and difficult person. he said after 2008 tour he had most fun ever in cycling and he felt betrayed by piepoli and ricco. he went to caisse where he couldn't get along with anyone and felt very bad. now back at matxin he finally is showing his inmensen talent. like it or not cobo is clean and let's hope this time he will stay mentally cable. physically he's incredible. the guy is 176 and 71 kg and climbs like a mountaingoat

thank you for that, Ryo.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

hey! what are all these attacks on jens_attacks???

get off your high horses, would you? attack the riders, fine, and go to the Clinic while you're at it

jens_attacks loves truly cycling. jens_attacks truly loves cyclists. some more than others, yes, but he choses them by their spirit not some bias based on nationality or perceived righteousness.

you think your faves are clean? lol!

would you please save your nasty comments for somebody that isn't as passionate and, yes, fair-minded, about cycling as jens_attacks?

sheesh

jens knows I'm just playing. My first avatar on here was a picture of Valverde winning in a Kelme jersey with "Pity 4 Piti" on it, followed by a picture of Emanuele Sella winning on Passo Fedaia. Jens has had so many favourites that are dopers that they deliberately play it up.

Just another example of bias against eastern Europeans.
Anyway, the Individual is all about shooting, with 1 minutes penalties for every miss.

Aye, but at the same time it has the longest skiing loops. But certainly, most of the most surprising results are thrown up in the Individual because of the bias being more towards shooting (Deryzemlya's and Maksimov's World championships medals, and Khrustaleva's Olympic medal are the ones that spring to mind immediately).

Anyway, I wonder if we have any cyclists who would dare to be as blasé about it as Ferry? I mean, that quote is pretty damn direct!

 

[Arnout]

That's a though bone to heal. Should be out of the worlds.

As a fan I truly enjoyed the stage. Sad Menchov lost all that time to a mechanical. He's just on the passenger seat during the mountains. Unable to do anything while his teammate goes away. I may join the Poels band wagon. Great ride.

Also surprised by the way this thread developed. Like the forum discovered today there's such thing as doping. Everybody obeys to the forum rules on other races, with other riders, but today...well, it's almost like doping isn't a problem, as long as you go unnoticed, as long as your performances don't make waves. Much like the bio passport.

As long as riders from certain nations are behind the winner I would say.

 

[hrotha]

By the by! Pim Ligthart! Am I right, or am I right?

 

[Winterfold]

Cobo was the one with the lowest gearing of the top favorites.

Cobo: 34x32
Froome: 36x28
Wiggins: 38x32
Mollema: 36x28

I guess there is the non-Clinic answer to today. Wiggins gear is too high, Cobo is the only prepared to go low enough to be able to spin something approaching freely on that supermental section(s)

 

[Zoncolan]

Anyway, I wonder if we have any cyclists who would dare to be as blasé about it as Ferry? I mean, that quote is pretty damn direct!

I don't want to stray too much off topic, but I remember some of the Austrians throwing accusations towards Bjoerdahlen when they themselves were busted.
Cyclists WILL not do that for years to come (active pros at least). Omerta is still too strong.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Anyway, I wonder if we have any cyclists who would dare to be as blasé about it as Ferry? I mean, that quote is pretty damn direct!

The atmosphere concerning doping is much diffrent in biathlon compared to cyling. He's not the only one who's doing the "Oooooh look! The evil Russians/Klingons" thing. His trainer has been very straigt forward about it as well, as well as the Scandinavian press in general I believe.

He's just saying what's supposed to be the mainstream oppinion. I think if the atmospere in cycling was similar, we'd hear some of this stuff as well.
Anyway, this subforum isn't supposed to be about those toppics isn't it?

 

[Zoncolan]

6.2 W/kg according to halamala's maths:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8839&page=52
Make of it what you will.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I guess there is the non-Clinic answer to today. Wiggins gear is too high, Cobo is the only prepared to go low enough to be able to spin something approaching freely on that supermental section(s)

cobo is simply better rider/climber than wiggins. how about that

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't want to stray too much off topic, but I remember some of the Austrians throwing accusations towards Bjoerdahlen when they themselves were busted.
Cyclists WILL not do that for years to come (active pros at least). Omerta is still too strong.

pls go away to clinic, there is no omerta. those that keep silence don't even find teams anymore like schumacher, rasmussen and rebellin.

 

[woodburn]

Watching again made me feel like the Alpe in 2008. Cobo playing the part of Sastre, Wiggins and Froom being Cadel and Kohl. Mechov with the dual role of the Schleck brothers sitting in as a loyal teammate.

Looks like the result will be the same for Cobo as it was Sastre.

Hero of the day for me ...
160 199 VANMARCKE, Sep GRM + 22' 46''

 

[Swede1]

cobo is simply better rider/climber than wiggins. how about that

Exactly. Wiggins has always been a rider who limits losses in the mountains and makes up time in the TT. Cobo has always been a climber who does a decent TT. Wiggins beats cobo in TT, Cobo beats wiggins in mountains. since this is a mountainous Vuelta = Cobo Wins!

 

[killswitch]

Both Wiggins and Cobo were nowhere to be seen in 2010 tbh.

 

[Arnout]

Both Wiggins and Cobo were nowhere to be seen in 2010 tbh.

Like Anton was king in 2010 and now is nowhere to be seen (although I was right about him being better today, he seems to do those ramps more on talent than on form for some reason)? Doped in 2010 I suspect.

Its called form. It exists.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The atmosphere concerning doping is much diffrent in biathlon compared to cyling. He's not the only one who's doing the "Oooooh look! The evil Russians/Klingons" thing. His trainer has been very straigt forward about it as well, as well as the Scandinavian press in general I believe.

He's just saying what's supposed to be the mainstream oppinion. I think if the atmospere in cycling was similar, we'd hear some of this stuff as well.
Anyway, this subforum isn't supposed to be about those toppics isn't it?

Deryzemlya's Ukrainian. But the point still sort of stands. Usually it's the Russians (or repatriated Russians like Khrustaleva) who bear the brunt of it.

 

[c&cfan]

Cobo Cobo!

really, i miss the days when there are fire works from pantanis in order to fight mountain trains sprinting while at 15% incline. that's true cycling. plateu de beille walks are not cycling.

thank you god for contador.


AND COBO! lol

 

[luckyboy]

Exactly. Wiggins has always been a rider who limits losses in the mountains and makes up time in the TT.

haha ...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

haha ...

No, they're definitely right. It's just now he limits his losses so that he doesn't lose his GC position, whereas in the past he limited his losses so that he didn't miss the time limit.

 

[hfer07]

Cobo was the one with the lowest gearing of the top favorites.

Cobo: 34x32
Froome: 36x28
Wiggins: 38x32
Mollema: 36x28

WTF?Wiggins shot himself in the foot with that gear choice-and hence he's 71 kilos-he needed a lower ratio -perhaps the 34 chain ring could have helped him a bit in the final ramps....

 

[daveinzambia]

I guess there is the non-Clinic answer to today. Wiggins gear is too high, Cobo is the only prepared to go low enough to be able to spin something approaching freely on that supermental section(s)

it looked that way to me. did not see enough of Wiggins climbing but the last shot we saw he definitely seemed to have too high a gear

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Deryzemlya's Ukrainian. But the point still sort of stands. Usually it's the Russians (or repatriated Russians like Khrustaleva) who bear the brunt of it.

Ukranians count as Klingons. There's no diffrent if the Klingon is Russian or Ukranian, Klingon is Klingon! Ask Caiptan Kirk!
Usually only the Russians get openly accused, but they do have very weird performances though really. In biathlon as in cross country skiing. They tend to go from sucking big time to destroying everyone within weeks.
Noone is asking real questions though if it's about the attitude of the Germans to actually tell the NADA where on earth they are. Or how Eckholm miraculously became a competetive skier.

 

[Descender]

Cobos time compared to Contador, Heras, Gibo, Jimenez?

Heras 41:47
Contador 43:14
Cobo 43:42

Don't know about Jimenez/Tonkov.

 

[Swede1]

haha ...

Oh Come on! You know what I meant! I meant since he has become a GT contender.

 

[cineteq]

Heras 41:47
Contador 43:14
Cobo 43:42

To me those times mean very little, because it depends on how the others are ridings, pace, etc at the beginning. What I want to see it's the last 6Km or less. That'll be more accurate measurement of performance.