Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 13 (Muros > Mirador de Ézaro 33.7 km ITT)

[Gargamel35]

Helmets look strange. Then you remove a sun visor, replace TT bike with standard and it just looks wrong.

 

[Red Rick]

Was that on purpose?

Sometimes I do it accidentally.

This time I had typed week then I changed it.

 

[johnymax]

It just looked uncomfortable, even when he was riding on the flat it was bouncing up and down.
Before:

Now:

From those two pics of Roglič, the positions indeed look different. But I don't think the second one is from a race. Anyway, comparing them, the position on the second pic looks more aero but less comfortable.

 

[Rackham]

Last year the ITT was the day after the rest day, and the day before the rest day was the queen stage in Andorra.

And Roglic stomped on everyone. I need to see how Carthy does because he's a bit of an unknown in terms of time trial abilities, if I'm not mistaken.

In the top 5 (notwithstanding any others, including a possible stage winner like Cavagna), it should be Roglic > Mas > Carthy (with a ?) > Carapaz > Martin in terms of their actual prospects in this time trial.

 

[Luthor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323583360040640512

View: https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1323583360040640512

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323566664525426688

View: https://twitter.com/As_Ciclismo/status/1323566664525426688

 

[Keram]

I dont mind hills in TTs but 14% wall is a bit ridiculous.

 

[ice&fire]

according to Belgian press, he will: “We do not reveal whether we change bikes. Primoz will ride with the same helmet as in the time trial of the Tour ”, says sports manager Merijn Zeeman.

Primoz helmet officially became The Iconic Image of the 2020 TDF when it was the first image from the race shown during the 2021 route presentation.
There may be a business opportunity there for TJV and their helmet supplier.

If the change is made thoughtful, i.e. in slow tempo and fluent bike change with the bike already in the right gear, it could take a very few seconds.
But now I've watched those kind of bike changes a lot the recent years. Even the top teams seems not to have trained those simple factors, but seems just so clumsy.
And at a such short climb it can be crusial. Arbitrary mechanics at a Formula One team should have plenty of room for coaching to find the extra seconds.

Arbitrary mechanics from Formula One team would surely suggest some sort of harness to lift the rider and replace the bike under them.

 

[Gargamel35]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323583360040640512

View: https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1323583360040640512

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323566664525426688

View: https://twitter.com/As_Ciclismo/status/1323566664525426688

This looks a nightmare for a mechanic.

 

[Gargamel35]

What i find kind of strange is on many very important TT races for GC there is always someone that no one expected him to fly. And it's usually not one of the favourites but very close to the top. And that guy then goes like mad, beats everyone and takes the GC at the end. Pogačar on TdF comes to mind. And now EF boss claims Carthy can do the same.

 

[Red Rick]

.........

Take it to the Clinic subforum please

 

[johnymax]

What i find kind of strange is on many very important TT races for GC there is always someone that no one expected him to fly. And it's usually not one of the favourites but very close to the top. And that guy then goes like mad, beats everyone and takes the GC at the end. Pogačar on TdF comes to mind. And now EF boss claims Carthy can do the same. So out of nowhere this guy could destroy everyone in TT and ride away in GC.

Lol...you say always and then give one example. In the last decade there aren't many examples I can think of to be honest, so it certainly doesn't happen always.

 

[Cannavaro]

There is a strong head wind most of the time (ticker says 22-28 km/h from NNE). Has anyone an idea how fast you can go until the start of the climb? 48km/h??

 

[Leinster]

Lol...you say always and then give one example. In the last decade there aren't many examples I can think of to be honest, so it certainly doesn't happen always.

This. I’d say it’s much more common that we get someone who is expected to do well, put in a terrible ride and lose 3 minutes. Probably mess up the bike change, crash on the road, etc.

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

Some stats from PCS:

Based upon the performance in their last 5 time trials on WT or HC level, how would the GC after the time trial look like?

#		Rider	Avg. time lost p/10k	Virtual GC time
1	▲1	Roglič Primož	0:16	48:30:01
2	▼1	Carapaz Richard	1:07	1:07
3	▲1	Martin Dan	0:53	1:21
4	▼1	Carthy Hugh	0:56	1:22
5	-	Mas Enric	0:38	2:13
6	-	Poels Wout	1:10	6:24
7	-	Großschartner Felix	1:05	6:33
8	-	Valverde Alejandro	0:44	6:54
9	-	Vlasov Aleksandr	0:53	7:27
10	-	Nieve Mikel	1:13	7:57
11	▲2	de la Cruz David	0:45	9:07
12	-	Gaudu David	0:53	9:13
13	▼2	Bennett George	1:32	9:24
14	▲1	Henao Sergio	1:15	12:33
15	▼1	Kuss Sepp	1:42	12:48
16	-	Martin Guillaume	1:12	13:39
17	▲1	Cattaneo Mattia	0:42	16:04
18	▼1	Izagirre Gorka	1:37	17:05
19	-	Soler Marc	0:45	17:35
20	-	Chaves Esteban	1:18	26:59

 

[Carols]

Just looking at the start times, i.e. Roglic (for example) at 16:34 PM, that's almost 48 hours after the Angliru stage finished. I know these guys do lots of warm-up & training during rest days & before the actual time trial starts, but it's often been said certain riders react differently the day after a rest day in a grand tour & their performance can sometimes suffer. Especially considering Angliru was so hard, then there's a rest, then kaboom there's an individual time trial which is a completely different sort of effort compared to climbing a near vertical wall on Sunday.

It's just something to consider on days like today. We could see some gaps.

This is one of the things that make grand tours Grand!

 

[Red Rick]

Most guys going low 40s on the first intermediate check. Must be some strong wind.

 

[johnymax]

Most guys going low 40s on the first intermediate check. Must be some strong wind.

New best time at timing point 1!
EDMONDSON Alex (Mitchelton-Scott) clocks 14.53,60 (48.376 km/h).

 

[Red Rick]

New best time at timing point 1!
EDMONDSON Alex (Mitchelton-Scott) clocks 14.53,60 (48.376 km/h).

Still not very fast for a flat ITT.

 

[richwallone]

It looks like Tanfield who started 4 minutes behind the first starter today, will be the first one to cross the finish line...

 

[richwallone]

I can't wait for the live transmission to start... We are in for some EPIC bike changes today

 

[BlueRoads]

Cavagna should set a mark if everything goes as planned. Anyone else among the rather early starters?

 

[Eclipse]

Most guys going low 40s on the first intermediate check. Must be some strong wind.

Richie's going to get blown backwards

I am all in for the bike change drama, surely some entertainment in store

 

[bob.a.feet]

Some stats from PCS:

Based upon the performance in their last 5 time trials on WT or HC level, how would the GC after the time trial look like?

#		Rider	Avg. time lost p/10k	Virtual GC time
1	▲1	Roglič Primož	0:16	48:30:01
2	▼1	Carapaz Richard	1:07	1:07
3	▲1	Martin Dan	0:53	1:21
4	▼1	Carthy Hugh	0:56	1:22
5	-	Mas Enric	0:38	2:13
6	-	Poels Wout	1:10	6:24
7	-	Großschartner Felix	1:05	6:33
8	-	Valverde Alejandro	0:44	6:54
9	-	Vlasov Aleksandr	0:53	7:27
10	-	Nieve Mikel	1:13	7:57
11	▲2	de la Cruz David	0:45	9:07
12	-	Gaudu David	0:53	9:13
13	▼2	Bennett George	1:32	9:24
14	▲1	Henao Sergio	1:15	12:33
15	▼1	Kuss Sepp	1:42	12:48
16	-	Martin Guillaume	1:12	13:39
17	▲1	Cattaneo Mattia	0:42	16:04
18	▼1	Izagirre Gorka	1:37	17:05
19	-	Soler Marc	0:45	17:35
20	-	Chaves Esteban	1:18	26:59

Surely if Carapaz loses 1:07mins/10km he would be 2:42 down on Roglic, not 1:07?

 

[Red Rick]

Rory Sutherland going under 40kph on first time check.

 

[TomLPC]

Ohhh no not that ****ing stupid laser helmet again, that thing is cursed.