Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 13 (Muros > Mirador de Ézaro 33.7 km ITT)

[Red Rick]

Surprise time trial. We won't know how well anyone is going before they reach the end!

Joke is on you when Roglic catches Dan Martin

 

[johnymax]

Wait am I seeing it correctly on PCS there's no intermediate checks?

There are two according to the official website. At 12km and 24.5km.

 

[Cannavaro]

Can anyone elaborate or talk about Roglič's position on a TT bike? For years i thought he's great at this and results were great too. He was praised for his position. But now i hear more and more from tv commentators/forum people that his position is bad?

I am not a specialist, but I think his position is fine. He has some good results in that yearly Tirreno-Adriatico time trial too.
2016: 51.4 km/h (-2.3 km/h compared to the winner)
2017: 52.5 km/h (-0.9 km/h)
2018: 52.3 km/h (-1.3 km/h)
2019: 51.7 km/h (-0.9 km/h)

I do not think, that one can lose only 1 km/h against the heavier time trial specialists with a bad position.

 

[Red Rick]

I am not a specialist, but I think his position is fine. He has some good results in that yearly Tirreno-Adriatico time trial too.
2016: 51.4 km/h (-2.3 km/h compared to the winner)
2017: 52.5 km/h (-0.9 km/h)
2018: 52.3 km/h (-1.3 km/h)
2019: 51.7 km/h (-0.9 km/h)

I do not think, that one can lose only 1 km/h against the heavier time trial specialists with a bad position.

Yeah he's naturally very aero, and probably benefits from this on the road bike too.

 

[RedheadDane]

Joke is on you when Roglic catches Dan Martin

But will that be Roglic being super good, Dan Martin being super ***, or some combination?

 

[Luthor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323537727552475138

View: https://twitter.com/rorysutherland1/status/1323537727552475138

 

[Lequack]

I wonder if Roglic is going to go with the silly helmet again.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Why a bike change for 1.8 kilometers of climb?? I don't understand. You probably lose more time in that interval if you come at full speed.

If the change is made thoughtful, i.e. in slow tempo and fluent bike change with the bike already in the right gear, it could take a very few seconds.
But now I've watched those kind of bike changes a lot the recent years. Even the top teams seems not to have trained those simple factors, but seems just so clumsy.
And at a such short climb it can be crusial. Arbitrary mechanics at a Formula One team should have plenty of room for coaching to find the extra seconds.

 

[search]

I wonder if Roglic is going to go with the silly helmet again.

according to Belgian press, he will: “We do not reveal whether we change bikes. Primoz will ride with the same helmet as in the time trial of the Tour ”, says sports manager Merijn Zeeman.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Surprise time trial. We won't know how well anyone is going before they reach the end!

What do you mean? Don't you trust the very precise Vuelta GPS times?

 

[Red Rick]

according to Belgian press, he will: “We do not reveal whether we change bikes. Primoz will ride with the same helmet as in the time trial of the Tour ”, says sports manager Merijn Zeeman.

It would seem Merijn Zeeman got tired of winning halfway during the Tour

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Joke is on you when Roglic catches Dan Martin

And in the concluding part on the 'murito' Dan Martin leaves Roglic again in a bag, Rogla loosing the Vuelta

 

[Eclipse]

As we all know what the most likely outcome today is...

...what's the minimum amount Rogla has to gain today for you to conclude that the race is in the bag (barring miracles)?

 

[Red Rick]

As we all know what the most likely outcome today is...

...what's the minimum amount Rogla has to gain today for you to conclude that the race is in the bag (barring miracles)?

Well, anything happening anywhere else but La Covatilla is a small miracle in itself.

I think he'd look really safe with like 40-50 seconds in hand on Carapaz with only La Covatilla left.

 

[search]

Tanfield talked about the bike change a bit yesterday (starting at ~5:30), different setups and so on. According to him, given the very flat nature of the course, if he sets up the time trial bike for the flat (big chainring and so on), he gains ~15s in that part. So without a bike change, you don't only lose time on the climb, but also on the flat, meaning there's more of a buffer (compared to the Tour for example, where the first part was on more undulating terrain)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rv1bfpeRvA

 

[johnymax]

I am not a specialist, but I think his position is fine. He has some good results in that yearly Tirreno-Adriatico time trial too.
2016: 51.4 km/h (-2.3 km/h compared to the winner)
2017: 52.5 km/h (-0.9 km/h)
2018: 52.3 km/h (-1.3 km/h)
2019: 51.7 km/h (-0.9 km/h)

I do not think, that one can lose only 1 km/h against the heavier time trial specialists with a bad position.

I think he was specifically asking about his position on that Tour ITT on stage 20. Some people on Slovenian forum talked about how his position on that ITT looked funny and different from his usual position. I think he looked ok on the flat part. Of course when he exploded on the climb, with his elbows out, he didn't look good on a bike. But that's to be expected in such situation.

 

[Gigs_98]

I don't really get the complaints about the wall at the end. Sure, it's a gimmick, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's something that is unique and that we usually don't really see in gt TT's and uniqueness is always something I'm looking for in gt routes

 

[Lequack]

Apparently all coronatests came back negative.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't really get the complaints about the wall at the end. Sure, it's a gimmick, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's something that is unique and that we usually don't really see in gt TT's and uniqueness is always something I'm looking for in gt routs

The real outrage is the rest of the third weak.

 

[Cookster15]

I wonder if Roglic is going to go with the silly helmet again.

I could be wrong but I think Roglic's aero helmet looked sillier because he took off the sun visor?

 

[Lequack]

I could be wrong but I think Roglic's aero helmet looked sillier because he took off the sun visor?

It just looked uncomfortable, even when he was riding on the flat it was bouncing up and down.
Before:

Now:

 

[Rackham]

Just looking at the start times, i.e. Roglic (for example) at 16:34 PM, that's almost 48 hours after the Angliru stage finished. I know these guys do lots of warm-up & training during rest days & before the actual time trial starts, but it's often been said certain riders react differently the day after a rest day in a grand tour & their performance can sometimes suffer. Especially considering Angliru was so hard, then there's a rest, then kaboom there's an individual time trial which is a completely different sort of effort compared to climbing a near vertical wall on Sunday.

It's just something to consider on days like today. We could see some gaps.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't get people who can ride without a visor. If I go 30kph and don't have one I feel like I'm dying.

 

[SafeBet]

The real outrage is the rest of the third weak.

Was that on purpose?

 

[Red Rick]

Just looking at the start times, i.e. Roglic (for example) at 16:34 PM, that's almost 48 hours after the Angliru stage finished. I know these guys do lots of warm-up & training during rest days & before the actual time trial starts, but it's often been said certain riders react differently the day after a rest day in a grand tour & their performance can sometimes suffer. Especially considering Angliru was so hard, then there's a rest, then kaboom there's an individual time trial which is a completely different sort of effort compared to climbing a near vertical wall on Sunday.

It's just something to consider on days like today. We could see some gaps.

Last year the ITT was the day after the rest day, and the day before the rest day was the queen stage in Andorra.